AI Self-Finishing To-Do List, Podcast Kayfabe & War With Kara Swisher

so somebody's going to build a to-do list app that will actually do your to-do list. And I think that's going to be insane. I think that's going to be like, you know how like Evernote was like kind of big for a little while. These, these kind of like note-taking apps have gotten to like the few billion dollars. A to-do list app that actually does your to-dos is like next level.

All right, we're live. Um, Dude, I have a bunch of interesting stuff to talk to you about today.

Do you? Yeah, I got a couple things. All right, let me give you— I'm going to give you an idea. So I don't know how much you've been paying attention to— I guess, how much do you pay attention to the new stuff in AI? Because I feel like there's a 48-hour cycle where your mind is going to be blown every 48 hours with something new. And on Twitter, you get to see a lot of the demos. I don't know if you have a chance to play with any of these things yourself, But, um, I've seen a, a bunch of 'em.

Which one are you talking about?

So there's one that's kind of interesting right now. It's called AutoGPT. Have you heard of this?

No.

Or Baby, Baby AGI.

Oh, I just saw it on the top of Hacker News today.

So basically AGI is artificial, is, is general artificial intelligence. So it's basically when, when, when AI could do anything right, right now, like self-driving or getting the robot to pick up boxes and put them in the right spot, that's narrow AI. General AI is when you have a computer program that you get to talk to and it could just figure out how to do it. It's not trained in any one specific thing.

What's the URL? What's the URL to go to?

Which is kind of a crazy thing. And so right now ChatGPT is searched more than Taylor Swift on Google, which is kind of insane.

I think the CEO of Google said the other day, he goes, this is more important than the invention of electricity. Wow.

Yeah. I heard the CEO of Microsoft divorced his wife and just married ChatGPT. People are getting kind of crazy nowadays. And so So anyways, big deal, ChatGPT. You go to it, you basically, you tell it, you talk to it, it gives you an answer. Talk to it, gives you an answer. What the AutoGPT or BabyAGI, I think, did was—

Is it Mini? MiniGPT?

No.

Baby.

It's Auto and BabyAGI. But the premise between these is that you can kind of give it tasks. So you could say, hey, I want to make a website for my personal portfolio. You know, here's a folder with my files and like, you know, I want it to look like whatever. And then what it will do is it breaks that task down into steps, just like a, you know, like a human would. You'd say, well, first you need to make a simple portfolio site. You can go to Squarespace and do that. Log in, go to Squarespace, sign up, choose a template. Now you have your template. Now you need to upload your photos. First, put them under, you know, like upload them to their drive and then drag them into the right spots.

Yeah, yeah. It's like looking up a recipe. It gives you good directions.

Not just gives you good directions, it does the directions.

That's what I mean. That's the original. That's how OpenAI stuff.

Yeah. ChatGPT, you could say, what are the steps to do this? And it would tell you the steps. Now you got to go do it. What these other ones are trying to do, they're trying to create like agents, they call them. Basically, it's like a little worker that could do a task. And then one worker can— the work of one worker, like creating the Squarespace site, can pass something to the next worker, which basically says, oh, great, you gave me the login to a Squarespace site. My job is to upload photos into it and I'll upload photos. Like maybe my example's not so good here, but I think people get the idea, which is you want to get something done. It's a multi-step process. Not only will it now tell you the steps, you can get it to just do the steps, which is obviously better than it telling you how to do it. And so, um, this is kind of a crazy thing and you, you know, it's not great yet. Like it can't do everything, but the fact that it can even do a little bit of this shows you again where this is going because ChatGPT is like, I don't know what, like 6 months old or something like that. Like, I don't know how old that is, but it's not even been around for years. And so in a very short amount of time, we've gotten to this point where, oh, now it doesn't just give you directions, it can kind of do it, which got me thinking about an idea.

I wanted to do my taxes. Can I do that?

Yeah. So people are working on TaxGPT, which is basically do your taxes for you. So I, so that's coming. There's another one which is basically, um, what I'm calling, you know, to-do, the to-do GPT, right? The magic to-do list. So the magic to-do list is you get it to like to-do list apps. I've always joked are like a rite of passage to becoming an entrepreneur because a lot of people have this idea, oh, I'll make a better to-do list. It's like, as a developer, you're like, oh, that's not so hard to build. It's like a list that I got to keep track of some state. And as a product person, you're like, God, I'm always, I'm overwhelmed by my, like, to-do list app sucks. I could make a better one.

That and like college campus Craigslist.

How do I play with— it's called Baby AGI. And then there's another one that's called Auto— what's it called? AutoGPT. AutoGPT. How do I like play with it?

Because I think people are trying to productionize it because like right now it's like they uploaded the code to GitHub. So you can go and you can run it yourself. But for us, we're too dumb to do that. So somebody's going to put this on, you know, people are going to put these into sites that you can just go in and do this on now. Um, so, so soon enough, I don't know the most popular, what's the most popular AutoGPT site is right now, but the same thing kind of happened with ChatGPT. Like there already was the GPT sandbox and then OpenAI created ChatGPT, the product that would let you use, use the technology.

Have you seen HustleGPT?

Yeah. So explain what this is.

Let me find, yeah, tee it up. Let me find the exact thread.

Hold on. So a guy basically, and we should say his name. I'll try to find his name.

He's got a great name. It's so good. I thought it was a fake name.

Okay. So by the way, I found the HustleGPT article on The Hustle. So this guy, Jackson Greathouse Fall. I mean, wow. Just take a moment. Take that in. That's an incredible name.

So basically, yeah, this guy Jackson, he tweeted something out.

It made— so they made greengadgetguru.com. If you go there on SimilarWeb, it said that it has 500,000 views already. So it got popular already. It got popular because the tweet got 20 million views. So that was mainly it. But he keeps tweeting, this guy Jackson, he keeps talking about it. And over the next like week he gives update and he's like, all right, day 1 or, you know, day 5 or whatever, we just made $100. Someone on here who follows me has a company that advertises or that sells like green soap or something or some type of like chemical-free like dish soap. They now are an advertiser on Green Gadget Guru, and he keeps on going, and I think he gets it up to like $1,000.

And he starts writing these articles. So this article is called The 10 Eco-Friendly Kitchen Gadgets, and it recommends different kitchen gadgets. And the idea of this is like, uh, I'm just gonna create Wirecutter for green gadgets, whatever that means. I guess that's like green, uh, all, all types of like green living stuff. So it's like soaps with no chemicals or whatever. Um, and he starts doing that and he has, uh, 10,000 people now on his newsletter, of which a lot came from this, probably most came from this 20 million tweet that like went viral. But the way that this guy has done this is pretty funny and amazing. He just like—

Over the weekend I was going back and forth to my accountant and I was like, no, I think we could actually save money if we do this, this and this. My, my friend was telling me how, how they do it. Um, I'll go and try and find like the exact part on the IRS website where it says that that is or is not true. And my accountant was like, well, I've never even heard of this. So, uh, like, let me know if you could find it. And so I went to the IRS website and it's just a huge, like, it's just, you know, massive, massive amounts of data. And I eventually had to find it. But, uh, I was like, man, I just want to teach this machine, just give them this entire 20,000-page book on the IRS and then like go and study all my like income and my expenses and just tell me the best ways to maximize the situation. Because like it's actually, I mean, even if my accountant's great, like there's constantly new laws and there's always new wording and everything. I just like, man, just, I just want this to do my taxes.

And the scary part for some people is while it's awesome that you could say, hey, here's $100, make me as much money as possible. It's awesome that you could say, here's this, here's the, here's the tax code. Save me as much money as possible. You can also basically say, uh, here's a code base, find me all the vulnerabilities so I can hack in and steal everything. Here's, uh, you know, a map of my city, tell me where if I was to cause the most harm to the most people, what, what I could do. And like, that's I think where this gets scary is like the— and then if you take then the AutoGPT, it's like, well, then would it also do some of the tasks for you? That's kind of crazy too, right? So it's like you, you get into this world where, where I think it's, it's easy to imagine scenarios where this is a little too powerful. And, uh, I don't really know. I mean, what do you think? Are you scared of this? Do you think that there's like, uh, do you worry about that side of things?

Well, so Elon has this, um, interview coming out tonight and tomorrow with Tucker Carlson, who's kind of a douche. So who knows what we're going to, what it's going to be like, but the whole The whole interview is about how scary AI is and how it's gonna like take over the world. And so I was scared and then Dharmesh came on the pod and he was like, no, I wouldn't be afraid yet about this. It's not that big a deal. Every new, they say this about every new technology, but after the interview, just based off like a 30-second trailer that they've aired, I have a feeling I will be afraid, but he's pretty good at like painting certain pictures and I don't know if it's entirely accurate. I also, you, told the— your funny analogy was Elon was involved in OpenAI and then he got kicked out and it was like a kid like leaving the basketball game and bringing his basketball so no one else can play. And so I'm like, is that what's going to happen with him? So I'm not afraid yet, but I'm eager to see his interview and see what he says. Uh, but no, I'm not afraid. Are you?

Yeah, I could definitely see how things are going to get really crazy. Um, like I'll give you a silly example that's I think happening today. So you know how like grandparents are like the target of a lot of scams? Um, like people call, you know, old people and try to trick them into signing up to paying for something or giving out personal information. Um, and they'll say all kinds of things, everything from like a Nigerian Prince scam where it's like, oh yeah, your, your grandson needs money. He said he couldn't reach you. He asked me to call and he just needs like, you know, $900. Uh, can you send it to, to this account? Everything from that to there's people who I know call like pretending to be DirecTV and they just, hey, yeah, you haven't paid your bill, get the credit card.

And now you sort of scam or they'll pretend to be Apple or they'll pretend to be the IRS, right?

Whatever they can do. And, um, and now there's already like examples of basically using AI, like just how do you juice that up on steroids? It's like, Well, if I wanted to juice that up, I would call 1,000 times more people. Cool. AI can now do phone calls and talk on the phone. So that's already a thing. It's useful in some ways. Like, I invested in a company that does this for medical billing. It's like, oh, so many hours are wasted in medical offices calling the billing companies. So they just made a robot that will call on behalf of the the doctor's office to the medical billing companies. And then when the billing company says, well, can you read me the patient record number? They say, yep, 925666, whatever. And so they just save human hours by having a robot call and do those tedious calls. But that same tech can be used to call Grandma. And so they use AI to do mass calling with a human voice on the other end. Even crazier, they could train the human voice to sound like somebody. So you could train it to sound like a famous person or to sound like a politician or to sound like whoever. And now you have a highly scalable impersonation that can be used for this sort of almost like phishing attempt or a scam attempt. And so there's like, I guess it's not new, but it is a stronger weapon. And I think that's what's scary. In the same way that drones and nukes are scary in war. I think that really, really smart computers that could do things is really scary in terms of, you know, cybercrimes or, um, or the, you know, the big scary one is just like, have you heard of the paperclip optimization thing? You know what this is?

No. What is that?

You know how like sometimes we'll go to conferences or like these like quote parlor dinners where it's like 8 people around like a topic and like someone's leading. And for the past 2 years or 4 years, it was like, so how are your companies going to embrace crypto or Web3? And what are you guys doing? I remember like being part of those conversations and I'm like, nothing. And I think if you do do this, you're an idiot. And this is one of the only times where someone has brought this up and I'm like, Yeah, this question is actually applicable in this for this situation. Like, how are you guys going to use this to get better and improve? And it's one of the— it's probably the only time so far that I felt, yeah, you kind of got to use it for something, otherwise you are actually going to get left behind. With the Web3 stuff, I was like, no, you're not getting left behind. You're actually— don't even pay attention to it. With this stuff, I actually do believe that should be true.

Yeah, no, I agree that this is actually one thing that's important. Last month I went to San Francisco for a quick trip and I was only there for a day or two and I met up with this guy named Brett Adcock. Have I told you about Brett?

Dude, have you stopped telling me about Brett? I feel like you've said, have I told you about Brett Adcock 16 times on the show?

Have I?

Yeah, bro. You love this guy. He started a flying car company, took it public via SPAC, and now he's building robots.

All right.

Well, I know this story and we all know this story.

I went to the robot factory or whatever you call it. It's the robot factory. I mean, it sounds like a new age, like a Chinese food company or something. Like I went to the robot factory and I went and checked it out. It was amazing. So he basically in Sunnyvale, he's got like 50,000 square feet, and it's just 60 folks who work there. And I went and talked to each person. I was like, what did you do? And they're like, oh, I helped build the Cybertruck, I helped, uh, build this part of Tesla, or I worked at Boston Dynamics, whatever. Like these, like the smartest of the smart guys. And they're building these machines, and they're basically— they look like a RoboCop kind of. And they're— and these machines are like, they can walk around and grab stuff off a shelf and pack like, you know, a t-shirt or whatever into a box.

And I said, didn't he just start this? How is it already like, how does he already have robots that are working? I feel like he just started this like a, like last year, right?

Did you let out a small, a small female gasp?

Yeah. Like, like if you would've saw me standing up, like my, my heel kind of like popped up, you know, it was like, like when, when you kiss a girl or she's at her heels and pops up. Like, what's that called, by the way?

That thing's amazing. What a thing that is.

Yeah, that sounds pretty sick. I'm surprised it's that far ahead, because I know Boston Dynamics and even Tesla with its Tesla robot— Boston Dynamics has been going for, I don't know, 10-plus years, and they have this weird dog robot that can do parkour or something. They have a crazy-looking robot, but it's not like— I don't think it's that functional yet. It's not replacing warehouse work yet. In a real way.

Well, he explained that to me. So everyone knows Boston Dynamics. You've seen like viral videos of like Erlich Bachmann, like kicking like the deer that look like the robot deer and it like comes back at him. He said that Brett was— I was like, Brett, who's your competition? Boston Dynamics? And he was like, no, because they are a research company. And so their DNA is not to build stuff that people want to buy. It's just to push the envelope. And it's almost like a nonprofit in a way. I think now it's owned by like Kia or Hyundai or something like that., so eventually we'll become more like capitalistic, but he's like, they were just making stuff and pushing the envelope. And then companies like us who want to build stuff for commercial uses, uh, like there's not that many use cases or there's not many other companies doing something just like this. And so that was how he explained the difference between Boston Dynamics and him.

There's a, uh, video that's amazing that you should watch. It's the Amazon warehouse, like Amazon warehouse robots. And I don't know if you've seen this, but they're basically like They almost look like, you know, back in the day in PE, you would get this, like, it's not a skateboard because it's a square. It's like a square version of a skateboard that you can, like, sit on and scoot around.

Like a kneeboard, I think they called it.

Yeah. So they use something that looks like that, basically. It's a flat, like, square with 4 wheels on it. And I don't know if you've seen these videos of the Amazon warehouse, but there's thousands of these. And what they do is they drive around. So an order comes in and they're like, all right, cool. This person over here needs to pack an order. They're packing the next 10 orders. Those 10 orders need these bins. So they go, they drive, they pick up, they go under the rack with the bins, they pick it up, and it's elevated like 2 inches off the ground. And then they drive this huge rack of bins to the human so the human doesn't have to move. They're sitting in their chair and they just pick the items, put them in a box, and then the robot takes it away. And all these robots, they don't crash into each other because they're all like sync to one brain. Basically, one brain is driving all of them at once, and so they never bump into each other, and they all just go and they lift these huge racks and bring them to the person. Because otherwise, if you've ever been to a warehouse, normally it's like you get a ticket, you get an order. I've done this. I've packed thousands of orders myself. You're like, all right, I got to go get something from bin 308. It's down in the far left corner. Then I got to walk to bin 102 because they ordered these two items. And then I'm going to try to do maybe 2 or 3 orders, however many I can, you know, carry with my little tray here back to my packing station at the end. And then I'll pack all those orders. And so it's so much faster just due to these automations. And you could definitely tell how all kind of like industrial and manufacturing work is going to get automated. Just, it's just a matter of when. And the companies that do that are going to be very big companies.

You recently bought a Cadillac and Cadillac has really great, Or they're supposed to have great self-driving. Have you been using it? No, you don't use the self-driving?

I don't think ours even has anything like self-driving.

Oh really, man. I, uh, we just got a Tesla and I, before that I was using my friend's Tesla. The self-driving stuff is awesome, man. It totally has changed me. And so like, I'm seeing like some of these, like now I'm a believer before I was, you know, kind of archaic. I'm a believer on a lot of these things now. I had to use it for a week to actually understand it. I'm shocked you don't have that though.

Yeah, it didn't come with my car for whatever reason. But, um, yeah, I, I had a terrible Tesla experience, but I don't know, I think I, I rented like a 4-year-old Tesla, so it just sucked for whatever reason.

Well, that's my very quick story on Brett. We have— you have to go and see this guy. Like, it's so much cooler to see— it just feels so much more rewarding to work on some of these products because A, it has like a very real-world application and then also like you're, it almost feels like a bunch of friends just sitting around and they're like, oh my God, we just got the knee to like kick forward. Like, you know, it feels like a, do you remember, um, those TV shows when we were kids where it was Robot Wars? It was like robots. And that's basically what it was. It felt like that in real life where they were just like tinkering on these robots and like, all right, we have it set up. Let's see if we can get the foot to move. And it just seems so much more fun than looking at a computer screen and just coding all day. So it's really fascinating. You gotta go down to his warehouse and see it.

Yeah, I look forward to 3 episodes from now when you ask me have I ever heard of Brett Adcock again. It's gonna be great.

Yeah, do you know I used to sell hot dogs? We, uh, we're supposed to tell you to go— there's a story behind all of this. Let me just quickly tell you, you're supposed to go to mfmpod.com/webby. Webby is W-E-B-B-Y.

MFM, by the way, there's not an ad. There's not an ad. This is war.

This is war.

There is a small, tiny war going on and we need your help. So to be clear, we don't care about the Webbys. We got nominated for a Webby.

What are the Webbys?

Webbys is like an internet Oscars, right? It's like an internet Grammys. But it's not.

That's a little bit much because it's not like generous. It's not.

Yeah, that's what they're trying to be.

All right. That's what they're trying to be. That's generous.

And so you can have a website, a podcast. So if you go in the podcast, in the biz, is it the business category? What category are we in?

Their website's quite challenging to work, by the way. Like, it's hard to make work. But yeah, we're in the, we're in the business podcast category. But if you go to mfmpod.com/webby, you're going to get redirected to the right link. So the story of this is basically HubSpot submitted our pod to this Webby Award. Normally this isn't something that we would do because it costs money to submit, and I think there's even like a dinner in New York, which I don't really want to go to. But here's the story. There's this woman named Kara Swisher. Kara Swisher is this popular journalist. Uh, she started Recode, I think it was called, and she has got a big podcast called Pivot. She's just like an elite, like, kind of like who's who of like our little techy journalist in Silicon Valley.

She's super well known for like, I don't know, 20 years, 30 years. Who knows how long she's been doing this? Uh, as Sean would say, she's kind of like—

she's the Jake Paul of journalism.

No, no, no, Taylor Lorenz is the Jake Paul of journalism. I like— I actually like her, so she's, she's all right. But I agree, by the way, she came for us. She came for our neck.

She came for our neck. So, but what happened was she tweeted out— I hate starting a story with she tweeted out because I, I immediately think of all the mobster movies. They're like, I just watched this mobster movie of these guys like killing each other. And I'm like, I'm starting a beef by saying like, she tweeted, you know, like it's just like the tweet it out.

Like she said, let's just say she said, here's what she said to our face.

And what did she say? Do you know what she said?

It was something like she tweeted out a link to the Webbys. We were, we didn't even know we were, me and you didn't even know we were up for a Webby, but there's like 4 podcasts that are up for it. One is her podcast, one is our podcast. And she goes, There's no way— something like this— there's no way I'm gonna lose. We could, like, for God's sakes, like, we can't lose to a podcast called My First Million. Oh, like, you know, just like these tech bros, these money bros. And, um, you know what happened? The voting just swung even further in our favor when she did that. And, uh, and Sam declared war instantly because Sam's just literally walking around looking for a fight. I don't know if most people know this, like, uh, Sam's walking around just hoping to get disrespected, just to unleash a can of whoop-ass. And so you tweeted back, I mean, you said back to her face, what did you say?

I think I said, uh, I think I said some— I think she said there's some podcast called My First Million that we're up against and there's no way we're gonna lose or something like that. And I think I said there's some lady who has a podcast that just disrespected us or something like that. Like, You know, if you listen to MFM, don't vote for us. Vote against this snobbish elitism of people who love to smell their own farts. I think that's what I said.

And so that's where we're at. There's a war. We went from 80% chance of victory. We had 80% of the votes. Then she came on this campaign and said, we can't lose to these guys. It started to go down a little bit. I think right now we're about to lose the Webby. And you know, I don't want to win the Webby. Don't care about winning, but I definitely care about losing. And so I do not want to lose the Webby. So now we need your help. Go to mfm pod.com/webby. And yeah, you know, just, just right a wrong. Are you going to right a wrong?

Yeah. Don't vote for us. Vote against like people who think they're better than you, which is, you know, her.

And by insulting us, and if you're listening to this, she's insulting you indirectly. And so are you going to take that?

What we're going to do is when we win, Jashan, we're going to get like an award. I think it's an award. I'm going to keep it in the box and I'm going to put it in a bigger box and I'm going to mail it to Vox, which is who has her podcast. Right.

Like part of the— we don't— we're not putting this Webby up on our wall.

I'm not even going to open it.

Putting this in her face. So we will mail this Webby to her because she wanted it so badly and she will own the Webby that says My First Mail-in on it.

And what's going to happen if they invite us to event to do this, I am 100% going to ask her to be my date, my plus one.

Her plus one.

I would love it.

I can't go. Sam's going to take her if that's how we're going to do this.

If we're allowed to have like plus ones, I'm going to ask Kara if she'll be, if she'll accompany me and we'll hang out. So anyway, do that. MFMpod.com/Webby. You'll go straight to the thing and you guys will see it. It's pretty funny.

Uh, I think we had to take her to— we had to take her to petty court. We didn't start this war, but we will finish it.

Um, do you know this guy named Brian Davis?

Sounds pretty generic name. No, I don't know that name though.

He's a Duke— former Duke basketball player, you know, in the '90s. I think it was in the '90s.

Oh, okay.

Yeah. Um, so something just happened and it's pretty funny. It happened this morning, I think, and it hasn't played out yet, but it's actually It, I think it's a, a PR or marketing stunt that might be hilarious or it's a scam. It's one of the, one of the two, but basically, you know, I'm not a sports guy. So, so I might get a lot of this wrong here, but Dan Snyder owns, what's it called? The Washington Commanders, formerly the Chiefs, right? Or the Redskins. Uh, yeah. See, I'm already butchering it, but basically I think he has to sell it, right? Or it's, or it's for sale. This guy named Brian David. Brian Davis, he's a, he's a, a Black guy. And so it was in the news because it was saying this guy offered to buy the, the team and he said, I'm willing to give you $1 billion in cash in the next 24 hours. And then the next 7 days, I'll give you the remaining $6 billion. And I've got proof of funds and all this. And it's a big deal because he's Black. And so it'd be the first Black owner, but I started doing some research on his company.

It's also $1 billion over. So $6 billion is the offer they had agreed to. He came in over the top, said, I'll give you $7 billion. And people are like, is he good for this? Where is he going to get $7 billion? He's like, I'll give you $1 billion within 24 hours of the deal being approved and then the rest in 7 days.

Yeah. So it's like a crazy thing that he's saying. And I started doing some research on like his background. And so he has this company called Urban Eco Energy, which is a developer of renewable energy assets. Basically, you know, remember like LEED, LEED certified buildings? It was like, it's— you're like green. So I don't even think he— I don't know if he makes the buildings or if he goes in there and like contracts out and like determines, yes, you guys are certified. But his company's called Urban Eco Energy, and he said that, uh, uh, he was telling people when he was raising money for this purchase that it's worth $50 billion. Um, and when I hear all these numbers, you know, if you don't know anything about business, you hear this, you're like, wow, Brian, you're killing it. Uh, I think this is 100% fake. A complete, like, it's either a scam or a marketing ploy. I don't know which one it is. This won't go through. But the fact that we're talking about Brian Davis and there's like all these articles going out there, like, how cool is it that, you know, this may be the first Black-owned NFL team, yada, yada, yada. It's all fake, I think. And it's happening right now. And so I'm very eager to see how this unfolds.

But it's, and so I'm like, well, Tim and Christian Leitner, they, they do a lot of real estate development in that Durham area. I think they've been partners for a long time. Yeah, so, and he's, I think he's had multiple attempts to buy teams, it looks like. So he's, he tried to buy a soccer team for $33 million, tried to buy the Memphis Grizzlies for $252 million. And so, yeah, I don't really understand this, but.

But what I thought was funny about this.

It does not smell right. It does not smell like this. That they would have $7 billion to, to offer for this, whether it's their own or even the ability to raise that much money.

Uh, like, it's like Kanye running for president.

Yeah, it's like this— like, the last time that I heard about this guy, I think, was from that, like, Everyone Hates Christian Laettner documentary documentary series. But like no one talks about this guy and I don't know what I'd be curious is what goes into making an offer for some of these multi-billion dollar things, whether it's a company, a sports team, a piece of art, a house. And just, can you just become that troll and just you make it in the news and you start getting, you start doing marketing just as the guy who makes offers. And I just thought, is the barrier to entry that low on making an offer? How does that work?

Dude, we could do it right now. Let's open up Microsoft Word and let's tender an offer for $8 billion and, uh, let's see what happens. Sam and Sean have tendered an offer for $8 billion. We're gonna send you $10 in cash now. You send $2 back. That's how flush we are.

So long as everything, you know, plays out due diligence, as long as we don't see anything sketchy, we're in.

Right.

And it's getting—

it's getting due diligence, including us diligencing our own finances. And when we find out we don't have it, then we're out.

Well, 'cause with Hampton, I'm like, all right, we need backlinks so we rank. And I'm like, what's a good way to get backlinks fast? And I saw this and I'm like, wow, all these news sites are covering him. That's it. I just found my strategy. I just have to make a ridiculous offer. But I thought this was hilarious that this guy was actually like, people were taking it seriously on Twitter. People are like, people who aren't in the business world were taking it very seriously and he's getting links. From all these news sites saying like, NFL may have its first ever Black owner, but they don't think like, wait a minute, what's go— like, where's this money coming from? Who is this guy, right?

Yeah, that's, uh, that's crazy. I wanted to talk about this thing that I, I noticed happening, and then I saw an article that branded this in a really interesting way. Did we talk about this already? The podcast kayfabe? Do we already talk about this?

You mentioned it once. What is it?

So there's, uh, there's this concept that I'd heard that I like, but it doesn't need to sound as fancy as it is, called kayfabe. And it's basically like, if you— did you ever watch wrestling growing up? Like, like The Rock and Stone Cold, so awesome, all that stuff? Yeah, obviously there's only one answer to that question, and it's hell yeah.

Stone Cold says so. Yeah, of course.

So I saw these two women doing this and it's like all a joke though. It's like women giving, it's like they call it the alpha female and it's like, you know, apparently there was this guy who was like, look, and he was actually being serious. He goes, look, if you're 25 and you can't afford a Lamborghini yet, you're doing it wrong. And I think it's just ridiculous how wrong you are if you can't— you're just lazy. And so these two women now have the alpha female, and they're just like giving horrible advice, uh, you know, back and forth. And so many people have been taking them seriously, and it's 100% fake.

Yeah, this is, this is exactly what's going on. And there's a whole bunch of different versions of this. So there's, um, another popular thing you see on TikTok is somebody like just doing their kind of morning routine or their night routine, like their skincare routine. They're like kind of brushing on makeup while they're talking, or they're like, you know, like doing doing the like thing where they're wiping off makeup and then they're like washing their face while recording this. It's like, oh, so vulnerable, girl next door, like, you know, so authentic, just, uh, it's like, no, she put the camera there, clicked record, and then started doing this to make it like look like I'm not trying, I'm just, I'm just going through my nightly routine, I'm just talking off top of my head here. But it comes across as not like somebody kind of marketing to you or sort of like presenting to you, but like you're being let in. And I find this so fascinating that people are doing this and you see this everywhere. And it's like the opposite of Instagram in a way. Like for Instagram, the meta of that was like, go do the thing where you rent the private jet for 30 minutes on the runway and take the photos. Or like, you know, go hold the bag and take the photo and then go return it at Louis Vuitton or whatever, right? Like people would fake status doing that. And in TikTok, they fake status doing a completely different thing. Sometimes it's like with this podcast thing, sometimes it's with like pretending to be just doing their chores and talking or whatever it is. And I find this really, really, really interesting because it's like, it's effective. It's like low-key very like sneaky what's going on. And, um, And it tells you a lot about how, how people work, that this actually works. You know, it's like reveals a lot about psychology that this, that this actually works.

So what's an example of one?

Uh, well, I just gave you two, right?

Like that. Yeah.

Give me another one. Um, another one would be what?

So another one would be like the podcaster ones. What are they saying? Are they giving like money advice?

So one of the podcast ones, for example, see, some of them are business advice, but one of them was this girl promoting her OnlyFans. So what she was doing was She goes viral because she's on a podcast as if she says like a fake—

she's a fake guest.

It's just this girl saying something that's going to get her a bunch of like traffic on TikTok because then you click her profile and you go to her OnlyFans and you subscribe. And that's all she was trying to do is promote her OnlyFans this way. And I thought, wow, like this, like 5 years ago, I couldn't even like If I told you the story, you'd be like, what is TikTok? Why would anybody fake being on a podcast? Being on a podcast is like the dorkiest thing of all time. And what is OnlyFans? But this person is probably making, I don't know, $50K a month on their OnlyFans. And this is their main marketing strategy. And that's like, it's one of the things I love and hate about marketing is that marketing is this like never-ending game that's always changing. There's always like a new metagame to be playing. And the winners of it get really, really rich. But it's also exhausting because you got to kind of stay up on the latest thing. And, uh, and it also shows you when you have a marketing thing that's working, like, juice it because it's not going to work forever. And the game will shift. So when you have it working, don't take that lightly.

Dude, I remember as a kid growing up in Missouri, there was basically Zach. Zach was the cool guy in my class. He was my friend. And he was cool because when we were 14, you could kind of see that he had abs and it was like, oh man, Zack's got abs and Zack like cuts his hair cool and he wears one of those like puka shell like necklaces. Zack's cool. Oh, he's got Vans on too. Like, that's so sick. Zack's awesome. I want to be like Zack. And then a step above that was like Blink-182. It was like, oh man, Blink-182. Like there's these guys in like Southern California and all they do is skateboard and surf and eat corn dogs and play music. Like, how cool is that?. And I remember being a kid and meeting someone inappropriate thing and they were hurley. Like, what is hurley? And I remember like, it was basically like 3 inspirations of like, it was like Zack, Blink-182, and like, you know, Tony Hawk basically was like the people who I thought were cool. And, uh, I remember even meeting someone. I lived in Missouri. I met someone from California. I'd never been like at that time. I never basically been to Florida and Missouri. I met a guy from California and I'm like, Do you know Sum 41? Like, are you friends with them? Like, how does that work? Like, you know, I just thought that like this was this other world. And I would— if they were wearing Vans and like high white socks, I would like ask for a picture. If they had long hair, I would ask for a picture. I'm like, it's like I'm meeting an alien. Like, you are famous just because you live in California. My fear is for my future kids, them growing up, this like sphere of influence has just gotten incredibly small because instead of like the mediocre Zach of the world. There's now like— I am now comparing myself to the thousand hot kids who I'm flipping through on TikTok.

The top 0.1% Zachs of every town.

Of every town. It's no longer—

I see them.

Yeah, yeah. There was a clear separation of there's Zach and then there's Blink-182, and I could never be a Blink-182, but I could probably be a Zach, and that's pretty cool. Now I just see all these hot people on there. They all can dance, they're all funny, their teeth is perfect. In actuality, they're probably 20— the same thing as like movies— they're probably 25-year-olds who like, I think that they're only 17. Uh, you know, like how like you'd have like, totally like Lindsay Lohan was playing— he's like, dude, you're like 26 and have fake boobs. How are you going to be playing the 16-year-old? Right. You know what I mean? Like, it's like that same thing. And I, and I'm like, I've scrolled through TikTok and I'm like, if you're 16 right now, this is the worst thing on earth because you are comparing yourself to the 0.1% of the whole country, not just like the big man on campus, the one big man on campus, you know, who you kind of have a shot of becoming.

Dude, that is so, that is so true. That is so true. That resonates so much with me. I had the same thing, you know, 6th grade, 7th grade, whatever. Casey Prusman, coolest kid on— coolest kid I knew. Like, if you said, what is the peak of what cool could be? Casey Prusman.

And he was cool because he had the Nikes.

He French kissed a girl once, and I was like, holy shit. I remember going home and being like, wow, I'm so far behind the world right now. But he was the cool kid. He was the only one to compare to. You're right. Now, if I go on TikTok, I'm 35 years old now, and if I go on TikTok, TikTok can make you feel very small. So can Instagram. These social networks can make you feel very small because Oh, you think you're funny? Here's somebody being fucking hilarious. You think you're cute? Here's someone gorgeous. You think you're talented? Watch this dance. Right? And that's swipe, swipe, swipe. Better than me.

Better than me.

Better than me. Better than me. Happier than me. More fulfilled than me. Richer than me. Whatever it is.

Right? Whatever your insecurity is, the algorithm's like, well, I swipe through it now and I'm like, someone will just be doing a selfie. I'm like, wow, look at their countertops. That's a huge kitchen.

Exactly.

Or like they'll be doing a thing in a car and I'm like, wait, does that headrest say Ferrari? How is this guy have a Ferrari? You know what I mean? Like, it's just like, it's consumerism times 1,000 of what we were used to, you know what I mean? Before it was like every— I only— if I went to the mall, I would see hot naked Abercrombie dudes like wearing— they're like on the ads. Now it's just like every single time and it's the best of the best constantly, and it freaks me out.

Yeah, exactly. Like you, you could feel like a, you know, tiny little, uh, amoeba compared to this universe of awesome people doing awesome things, living these awesome, perfect lives. And that's like a WMD for the ego, especially like a teenage ego. Like, I can't even imagine that. Yeah, that's pretty scary.

They need to rename the the For You page to the Better Than You page.

Yeah. Or just fuck you.

Feed a feed.

It's still F you, but now it's fuck you.

That's amazing. All right, that's it. That's the end of the pod. All right, before we go, ladies and gentlemen, we got a little celebration. And I say ladies and gentlemen, because I'm talking about the gentleman's agreement and the ladies' understanding. We have hit 200,000 subscribers on YouTube. Sam and I promised that we would kiss mouth to mouth at a million. We do intend to renege on that as soon as it happens. But, but if you want to see us have to, have to renege on that agreement, we will. We will do it when we get there. But Sam, 200K, that's pretty awesome. People should go and do what to get us to 300K?

Yes. The reason why it got to 200K aside from us being good at this, I think, is we started this at 110, 120, I forget. And we came up with this thing called the Gentleman's Agreement, which basically means all the content on YouTube is free except there's one channel, which is the channel you're watching right now. It's not free and it's called the Gentleman's Agreement because we can't be there to make sure that you pay your debt. You just have to do it. If it's a ladies understand, ladies understand the Gentleman's Agreement. Which means you now owe us because this content is not free. And the way that you pay your debt is you have to click subscribe on YouTube. That's it. It's that easy. We're working for you. Uh, but you, you, you owe us. And so you have to pay your debt and just click subscribe. And that is the gentleman's agreement. The lady's understanding. And so far it's been very effective. Clearly everyone has done it.

Go to YouTube, type in My First Million, click subscribe, turn on notifications. You know, the pod is much better on YouTube. You should just start, start listening to it. Oh, and we have to give out our premium. I don't know if you saw, but last time we did this, we did a hilarious thing where we said, use the word premium in your comment and we will give YouTube premium to one person. So let's do that now. Let's pull up somebody here and we will give them YouTube premium right now. I think we should do this every episode.

Which episode is it?

It's going to be a little costly, but I think we got to do it. Um, all right, so I'm on the acquired one. I'm just gonna read you a couple of these. This was a premium episode, gents. Keep it up. Somebody goes, um, this show had, I don't know, I must say, some premium insights, guys. Great episode. Uh, somebody just kept spelling the word premium over and over again. Um, simply premium content, premium episode, even more premium guests. Keep it up, guys. Have a premium Easter. I think we gotta give it to this guy who wished us a premium.

Who's a premium user.

His name is Famous Astalogu. So I'm going to comment on here that he should slide into our DMs. We will pay for this guy's YouTube Premium. And in this episode, we'll do the same. In the comments, whoever comes up with the funniest use of premium will get free YouTube Premium so you can listen ad-free and you can lock your phone and listen to this in the background.

And that's it. That's the episode.