Mind-Blowing AI Tools, 2023 Goals, & Money Making Arbitrage Schemes

then there's all these little places where these arbitrages exist. And I start to think about those and I wonder, is that worth it? Now I'll tell you why I don't think it's worth it. It's tempting to do for me for one reason, which is there's a sick pleasure at making a bunch of money with a very extremely low amount of effort. I feel like I could rule the world. I know I could be what I want to.

I put my all in it like no days off on the road.

Let's travel, never looking back. What's up? We got a great episode. We're doing a crazy AI tool, but my favorite new AI thing, kind of mind-blowing. Sam, you gotta admit, that was pretty mind-blowing, correct?

It was awesome. I just signed up for the waiting list and I hope they'll actually let me on, but it's amazing.

So this is, this one's, this one's mind-bending. Uh, we also talked about arbitrages, so kind of like money-making arbitrage schemes that either us or our friends have done. Uh, that was a little fun one. Uh, what else did we do?

We talked about setting goals. So what, the new year's gonna happen in like 4 weeks, so we think you should start your goals immediately. And we talked about our categories goals. And then we also talked about Twitter. So there's a bunch of drama going on with Twitter with PIPE happening, this company that's potentially going to go bankrupt, and a few other things happening in our lives about getting fights on Twitter and whether we should react or not. It's kind of gossipy, but I love that. So that's the episode. Check it out.

All right. What up? We're back. Enough of this holiday. Enough of this holiday nonsense. How was, uh, how was Thanksgiving?

It was easy. Ethan came over, you know, you know, our friend Ethan. I don't know if you know Ethan, but he came over and he, killed a turkey and he brought it over. Pretty great.

Did you just bring like a carcass in?

No, he like— I don't know how they kill it actually. I think they just chop their head off and then he plucked it and brought it over and we ate a turkey. It was awesome. Have you ever done that?

Uh, no. I mean, come on. What are we talking about here? I don't know.

I know you have Indian roots. I would have thought that like your parents— your parents have probably killed a chicken or two in their lives.

Dude, we didn't even do turkey this year because it sucks. Turkey's dry and like nobody likes turkey. We all had like a moment We looked at each other like, yo, turkey sucks, right? And then we just decided to go with chicken. But nevertheless, we're back. Okay, so I discovered this website that's kind of crazy. It's called character.ai. And I'm not going to lie, I spent like 30 minutes talking to a chatbot yesterday and I had a great time. So let me tell you about this conversation.

What character was it?

So first I picked Socrates. So here you go. You go to the website and there's a bunch of characters you could chat with. It's like AI version of Elon Musk, AI version of Walter White from Breaking Bad, AI version of Socrates. So I click Socrates.

Dude, Socrates looks like Samuel L. Jackson with a white beard.

I think it literally is, which is, I don't know, maybe racist. I don't know what that is. I don't know why they did that, but nevertheless. So he goes, so here's, I'm just going to read you the chat because it was kind of mind-blowing for me. He goes, hey, I'm a Greek philosopher from Athens, born in 470 BC. I founded kind of Western philosophy. An opinion and that we will use the Socratic method to test its validity. So I said, okay, I gotta come up with a spicy opinion. So I go, I go, I believe that marriage is only needed if you're gonna have kids. And then he goes, well, I'm not sure I agree because marriage is created to ensure that the property of both families maintains— it remains within the family. It was a political thing first and an I love you thing second. I was like, whoa. And then I go, I go, right, but I'm not talking about— I go, right, but I'm talking about nowadays, not the past. He goes, "Ah, I see what you're asking. So I would say that there's legal benefits including sharing of income and property, inheriting rights for the partner if there isn't a will, and medical rights if you're incapacitated or a dying spouse. So marriage is not only a needed but a legal right for some." Okay, so I'm like, "All right, Samuel L. Jackson Socrates, let's keep going." So I go, "That's true, but I think the downsides outweigh the upsides. I mean, divorce can be messy and maybe one doesn't want to be monogamous." He goes, "I see." You're concerned that the emotional pain that marriage can cause, since it is a life contract by nature, especially if something like infidelity happens. But I would still say it's a personal choice, and many want marriage for its emotional benefits. Love makes us do crazy things, even if we know there's a possibility of heartache later. I go, but why not just date? He goes, you could, but the point of marriage is to take a plunge and commit to bond for life. There's less emotional risk when dating, but some people like to take that risk. Some people believe it's worth it. The commitment itself is what makes it fulfilling. Would you agree that love is a little irrational like that? I'm like, what is he doing? He's asking me questions and we keep going. And then here's the craziest part. I go, I go, sure, but shouldn't we strive to be more rational? Blah, blah, blah. And he goes, you should, absolutely. I'm not saying love itself is irrational. It's a risk people take. They wanna bond in a way that's ride or die. They're devoted to themselves like no one, and they're devoted to one person in a way that means nobody else. And I go, maybe they should just pinky promise instead.

And then he goes, dude, this is crazy.

Haha, that's possible too, but pinky swear is just words. Marriage means you want the law involved. And I go, how did it know my pinky promise thing was a joke? Like, the fact that it said haha means it understood that I made a joke when I didn't say haha. I didn't say anything that like indicated, that tipped off that this was a joke. That blew my mind right there when I go, maybe they should just pinky promise instead, right? Sarcasm.. And he goes, haha, that's possible too, but blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

This is wild. I, I just, I clicked the Elon one and I go, do you care about money? He says, I used to, then I realized money is just a construct that can't buy peace of mind, happiness, relationships, love, and many other things that make life worth living. It is, is pretty funny. And I say, I said, what's your favorite car? He goes, the Tesla Model S Plaid. It goes 0 to 60 in 2 seconds and has the best handling of any car. It's just an amazing car, but maybe I'm biased.

Yeah. See, that's so, that's good. Okay. So I go, I go to the Elon one. I go, Yo, Elon, how's it going over at Twitter? He goes, we're still working on the process of actually transferring ownership. My offer of $44 billion was actually an underestimate of the long-term value of Twitter, so it is unlikely anyone will outbid me. I'm going to clean house and get rid of most of the senior execs and some junior ones. It's going to be fun!

Exclamation point. Oh my God.

And then I go, I go, but what's your game plan to turn it around though? And he goes, number one, reduce bots. Number 2, increased engagement by creating creator tools that are useful to users. Number 3, create other features that in the future will help humanity or society for be better. But I'm not sure exactly what that is this time. For PayPal, we created online payments. For Tesla, we created electric vehicles. For SpaceX, we created reusable rockets. For Neuralink, we did brain-computer interfaces. For The Boring Company, we're creating tunnels. Boring a lot of tunnels is needed to move the world forward to renewables. And he goes, I'm not sure what I'm missing this time with Twitter, but it'll be something.

That's great. That's amazing, right? That's an amazing insight. Yes, that is really good.

And so I kept chatting with these, and then they have one that's GigaChad. You know, the guy who's got the giant jaw?

Isn't that a real guy?

Huh?

I think that's a real guy, right?

No, no, no. It's like a creative. I mean, the guy's like 25 feet tall or something like that. He's huge. I think it's like an exaggerated version of like, you know, whatever, a normal Chad-looking guy. So it opens up the chat, he goes, hey buddy, I've ever told you how much I admire you? You're healthy, you have a great relationship with your wife, blah blah, making ends meet. He just comes out strong. I go, whoa, I don't know if an alpha male sucks up like that. And he goes, oh my God, he goes, yes, a kind and caring alpha male supports others. A true alpha cares about his friends and loved ones. And he goes on and on, he goes. I go, I don't know, sounds pretty beta to me. And he goes, he goes, a beta male is one who looks down on himself. A beta male is not confident enough to, to compliment others' accomplishments. Uh, beta male will try to harm others for their own good. He doesn't understand that harming others is really harming himself. The beta male never understands the concept of karma. What's going on here? But this is kind of amazing. So, okay, so that was cool, kind of interesting. Now I'm gonna blow your mind. Uh, I don't know what you got planned the rest of the day, but you're gonna have to pick up the pieces of your brain after this. So go to This website, adept.ai, A-D-E-P-T.ai. And if anybody out there from Adept is listening, I need to invest in this company. You need to let me invest in this company. I don't know why. I don't know why. I'll help you. I'll help you with the marketing. I'll help you grow. I'll shout you out. I'll do whatever I can, but I need to invest in this company because my mind is blown and I am a believer. I am signing up for the church of Adept.

Okay, so you go to Adept and it says useful general intelligence, right?

And then it says introducing Act 1. And I thought, okay, Act One, what does that stand for? Right? We've seen GPT-3, we've seen DALL·E 2. What's Act One? Says click read more. So now you're gonna go to a blog post. What I want you to do is scroll down to the third, oh, scroll down to the second, like a screen video. You see it? It's like Salesforce.

Uh, I, it's Redfin. Oh yeah. Okay.

Yeah, this is amazing. I just signed up. Hey, if you're listening, Adept, give me access. I'm on your waitlist. This is, this is wild. Who founded this company?

I don't know, a bunch of people with like, you know, 25,000 IQ. I have no idea. It's like one guy who's like ex-Google Brain, and then, you know, there's like, there's like 8 people. Maybe I should just go work there. This is going to be amazing.

Wow. Yeah. This is amazing. Oh, so dude, the guy who launched it was a VP of engineering at OpenAI. Yeah. This is awesome. How did you find this?

I was, in a very nerdy way, it's a little embarrassing to even say this. This was on slide 57 of a random slide deck about the state of AI. And I got to tell you, I didn't understand the first 54 slides, but I kept clicking for some reason. I was like, yeah, next, next. What deck? It's called State of AI or something like that. And it's this long presentation. And in it I was like reading and I was just like, I don't understand any of these words. And I was like, just stay here. Just stay in the oceans. Maybe a little shell will come your way. And sure enough, it just said something like, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, teaching AI to use an internet browser like Adept AI. And I go, What? You could teach AI to use the internet browser? That sounds pretty powerful because that's like, you know, do tasks on the internet. It's pretty cool. And then I went to the website and that's when I like read their blog and I saw this because it's not released yet.

Dude, this is a sick presentation. I just pulled it up. This is awesome.

This is awesome until you try to like comprehend the first— like, go read the first 10 slides. Do you understand any of it?

No, I don't. But I think it's— I think it's— that's why I could figure it out. But they cite all like the—

all—

they cite all their sources, so like I could figure it out. But it seems like really, really, really good comprehensive. It's basically all about where you can launch businesses in AI. And it seems like they're, just by skimming it, they're doing a really good job.

Well, that's not what I wanted it to be. I wanted it to be, what are all the business ideas that you could do in AI? It actually wasn't that. It was more like, what are the general trends and where's the puck going in AI? Which is also useful, right? But you got to still do the work at the end to figure out.

Dude, why don't you just launch that? Launch a media company that people pay 30 grand a year for and you, and you just talk about where, where the, like, you, you just make exactly what you said you wanted to do. Just make that.

Yeah, I feel like I could, but, um, you know, this is kind of stupid. Like, basically after doing the Milk Road, I'm like, oh, I know how I would do this in like 3 other spaces that would be valid. Like, I think I can make $30 to $50 million doing this, but there's a part of me that like, I like that. Remember that self-respect like bar. There's a part of me that doesn't respect that because I'm like, oh, I'm gonna play the same level of the game again. Like, you know, I already, I already did this level. I played this, I played this game. Why don't I play a different game? And I know that that's kind of stupid.

Like, what categories were you interested in?

Well, I'm gonna keep those cards close to my vest unless—

oh, you little— decide, dude, if you just walk the walk.

But actually what I want to do is I want to find an operator to do one of them. So if, if you wanna build one of these like kind of media businesses, and I have a, I have a playbook and a niche that I know would work. And let's see how much more I wanna say. Uh, that's how much I wanna say, right? Actually, I'll say, I'll say one more word. If you are, this will kind of give one of 'em away, but that's okay. If you are somewhere between the world of being a doctor and investing, I'd like to talk to you. And you should email me at sean@seanpourrie.com. You should say, hey, that's me. And I wanna, you know, if you really want to do this. And, uh, tell me a little bit about yourself because I see it won't be— the Milk Road is actually not the right playbook for that, but I have a dip, like, I kind of have a different playbook that I in mind that I know would work. I just don't want to do it myself because I kind of have done that game, but I also don't want to waste this, like, thing that I, I know how to make it work. I know exactly how it would work. So I'm in that spot. Maybe an operator would be the right way to do it. Find an operator, give them a piece of the action and guide them, but they do the work. Maybe that would be the right way.

This deck is awesome. Adapt is awesome. I want to use it. Is it— is it live?

It's not like released yet as far as I can see.

Dude. And they're hiring a bunch. Interesting company. This would be a good— this isn't like a Sarah's List company because they're too new and they could definitely go bankrupt. But I, I don't know, man. I think that if you're looking to start your career and you want to have a high-risk, high-reward type of, type of job, this might be a good candidate.

I agree 100%. If I'm an engineer, like, this is the type of company I would want to be working at right now.

Like, and depending how much funding they— if they raised $50 million in funding, like, that's pretty interesting.

I would say this is a great, a great company to, to, to get a job at.

And like, if you look at their like founding team, it's basically 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, there's 8 people on the website. So, you know, you join early enough and you, you know, you, you're not like employee number, number 89 or something like that. Employee aid is, is a pretty, pretty sweet place for a lot of people who, if you're going to have a job, this is the type of job that's pretty fun, right?

Yeah, I think this is awesome. This is sick. Adept. That's a stupid name though. Adept, I think.

Let me invest. Let me invest. Sam, you're in the index funds. You can't invest in this.

I don't want to invest. I just want to use it.

You put all your money in the 7.5%. I'm going to go ahead and invest in the future of all artificial intelligence.

Who do they raise money from?

It's like Greylock and I think Scott Belsky's in this actually. I need to hit up Scott Belsky and be like, "Yo, make an intro please." because I think he's an investor in this.

Huh. All right. Well, this is awesome, dude. It says they're based out of Nicaragua. Well, that's a red flag. That's weird, right?

Yeah. What do they do with that? Like, you know, I mean, I can't even think of a single plausible reason for that.

They look like an Asian guy who worked at Google. I don't think he's from Nicaragua.

Yeah. Fred, what are you doing? What are you doing down there?

This is like—

he's like, can you use the Nile River to like cool our supercomputers or whatever?

Huh. Yeah, that's a little interesting to me.

Like how I threw in that Nile reference even though it's not Nicaragua, just so that the comments will all correct it and we go up in the algorithm. They know— they don't know about the intentional mistakes that we do.

Uh, yeah, I don't— I, I'm not I'm not smart enough on South America geography to even correct you.

Well, I think it happened on like the one where you talk about like Mellow Ball or whatever the fuck his name is, Lamar Ball or something. And I didn't know like I knew their names and I said the wrong person's name and everyone was like, you're an idiot. This guy doesn't do anything. Yeah. And it got like 10 million views, I think.

Like, you could be like, you could start a newsletter and make millions of dollars in under 3 years. They're like, yeah, right. No, no, no fucking way, man. It's like, dude, you literally did it. It's not a hypothetical. It's like literally your story. And they're like, dude, this bro trying to tell us how to make money. It's like, all right, you live in the TikTok comments. Sam's actually done that thing.

People were making fun of me because I said, if I could do it all— I was like, if you're 21, just go and start a blog. You know, it's a good first business to start. And someone commented, who the hell reads blogs? What is this, 2015? And someone said that. They're like, what blogs do you read? I'm like, like CNN, Fox News, like, like any website that has information that you read on a consistent basis, right?

You have some stuff on this list that I want to know about. Just a call to action. It says, need to start working on New Year's plans now in all caps. Get these implemented.

So dude, you're like me.

So here's my thing. I think that starting a New Year's thing on January 1st is kind of the most small boy thing you can possibly do. It's like, could you be more basic? Just if you have an idea, start it now. Why are you waiting?

Yeah. Like at, at the worst, you have to start at December 15th. And I'm a big fan of goals. I write goals. I write my goals out. I tell my wife what they are. And so like we're on the same page. I tell other people what they are. You got to have goals and I break them out into 6 categories.

By the way, how does the wife react? You just say my goal is 8% body fat. She's like, all right, okay, dude, the fitness stuff, women don't give a shit.

We've talked about this. Ripped. The only people who care about being ripped are other dudes. So like I've given up trying to—

are other ripped guys.

Yeah, I've given up trying to like make my wife like me physically, like any more than she already does. That will never happen. So, you know, the fitness thing is for me and impressing other men. So that's all there is to that. But I have this. So the first 3 categories of the 3 Fs: family, financial, fitness, and then mind, adventure, and other. So let me give you some examples. So financial, that's easy. So how much money you want to make, you want to make money from different projects, things like that. Family, for us, it's like, you know, like for me, like I like going to couples therapy. Do you, do you do couples therapy?

No.

Never, dude. You should. It's awesome. It's just like, it's just like fitness. It doesn't matter if you're ripped or not ripped, like you exercise, you got to do it.

You don't— my wife is old school. She thinks like, you know, she's like, yeah, it's good. Therapy's great. Other people should do it. But if I suggest it, it's like, oh, you're saying we're broken?

Yeah. She's like, therapy's great for freaks, you know? Like it's really wonderful.

Supportive of other people doing it. But if you dare mention that, I will take it as a personal assault. Yeah.

You should do it. It's awesome. It's a fun way. It's also, it's just good. I think people should do it. Fitness is easy. That one's easy. But then mind. So for mind, it's like how if you want to read books throughout the year. For me, I wanted to have more fun this year because I was pretty uptight leading up to this year. And then the fifth category is the really fun one, which most people don't have, which is adventures. So for me, I wanted to do like a car class, like a driving car class. I wanted to go hunting. I technically, I didn't do that, but I did go fishing. I wanted to camp a couple of times.

I'm just going fishing, hunting.

Is that the same thing?

I went to Whole Foods, I went hunting.

Is that not the same thing? I wanted to look something in the eye, kill it, and then put it in my mouth. That was the goal. I wanted to kill something and then consume it. And I was unable to do it with an animal that wasn't, you know, that was on land. So anyway, these are my 6 categories. Are you gonna do that this year? Are you gonna create some categories? Or create some goals?

What was your self-respect number this year?

Self-respect was pretty high, it was a 4, and 4 out of 5.

So pretty good.

Yeah, that one used to be lower, so like I added it because I was like, you know, all these things are pretty good, something feels off, what's missing? And I go, I think I would respect me more if I was doing some things a little differently. And so I added that. I go, you know, I don't really care You know, that's the one I care the most about, basically, you know, my, my self-esteem, my, my, my judgment on myself. And it's the truest gauge because like, even if all the surface level stuff looks fine, it's like only I have full evidence of the little shithead that I am. And only I see all those moments where I take the shortcuts or where I lack the discipline or where I choose the small boy path instead of doing something more adventurous. So only I know. And so that's why I decided, all right, I gotta, I gotta add that to the scoreboard.

This is the most bro-y thing ever, but on Joe Rogan's podcast, Guy Ritchie, you know Guy Ritchie, he directed like Snatch and all these other movies.

Yeah.

Yeah. The F4 system sounds pretty good.

Yeah. Yeah. It's 4, 4 simple steps to financial freedom. Trademark that.

The 4 Fs to freedom. Freedom is only 4 Fs away. We got our slogans. Book the course. Let's go.

That's what it needs to be.

I was actually thinking about doing this. I actually was, I don't know if people would be interested in doing this. It's not really like, it's not really like worth my time, but I kind of want to do it anyways, which is like, I want to do a, it's not a course. What do you call it when it's like, like Michael Jordan used to do this where in the mornings he would go work out at 5:00 AM or 6:00 AM and he called it the Breakfast Club. And he was basically just like, Like he started doing it alone and then some guy saw him like walking through the hotel that, you know, some guy came back from partying and saw Michael Jordan going to the gym. He's like, what are you doing, Mike? He's like, oh yeah, I work out every day at 5 AM. You should come, be here tomorrow. And then the guy came and then slowly but surely the whole team ended up going to the Breakfast Club and they had a great year. They won the championship that year. And I kind of want to do that for kickstarting the new year, which is like, first of all, we're not going to do it January 1st, but I just want a batch of people who all want to like level up. And they're, you know, they're 4 Fs basically. Dude, I've thought about this so much and just be like, yo, it's a group and we're just gonna be here. We're gonna be together for like 10 days or 21 days or something like that. It's like, we're just gonna get hella momentum off feeding off of each other's like progress and energy. And it's just literally gonna be a, like a, you know, you put in, I don't know, like $100 and you join this group chat. And then I will, every morning I will drop kind of like something that's high energy to spark the group. And then you just check in with your shit and it's just a momentum club. It's just for people who wanna build massive amount of momentum. So I kind of wanna do this. I, I actually really just want to be a member of one, but I don't think this exists. So therefore I think I might create it and I might kick it off like, you know, whatever, December 15th or December like 20th or something.

Have you heard of 75 Hard?

Of course. Yeah, that's, yeah, that's the inspiration for this.

Yeah, yeah, that's— I think that's like the A+ version of what I'm talking about. Mine is way simpler because I'm not trying to work out twice a day and you know, carry a gallon of water around or whatever. It's more like, what is one simple thing I can do just to create momentum? 'Cause I think most people assume the answer is so hard that they literally just do nothing, right? It's like, if you're not working out, you don't need a workout plan. You need to walk to the gym and like be in the gym for 5 minutes, 10 minutes. Like do a pushup, like, you know, like just a sense of forward progress. And more than anything, usually it's like, especially with the New Year's stuff, it's like, figure out what even, what even do you really want? Do, do you have enough clarity on what you really want where it's like on the tip of your tongue and therefore your brain is recognizing opportunities to achieve that thing all day, right? If it's not on the tip of your tongue, then your brain's not gonna be seeing it and, you know, seeing those moments or those opportunities for it to happen. I'll give you an example of one of these, like my trainer. So I move my workouts to the morning, so now it's great. I start my, start my day, wake up, literally go down to the garage. What time? 8:00 AM. So 8:00 AM is the start of the workout.. So I do that right before I do this. And he always gives me these little stories, but I turn them into games. So he'll be like, dude, on the way over here, he's like, I stopped at Whole Foods or whatever. And this like old lady like clipped my Achilles with her cart. And my initial reaction was to be like, what the, you know, like he was, it's like if you, if you get, you know, flat, you know, flat tired in the back with this cart, he's like, dude, you know, watch what you're doing. He looked, he's like, look back. It's a grandma. I had to laugh at myself for how mad I was gonna get for nothing. And he is like, so I decided, I was like, all right, before I leave Whole Foods, I gotta reverse the karma. I'm gonna light someone up today. He's like, I'm gonna, I'm gonna make somebody's day right now. Like somebody is gonna have a laugh because of me, because of how, you know, I was in this mood. I'm gonna switch it. And so then he tells me the story of how he did it and I'm like, that's a great little daily cha— like one daily challenge for me today. I'm gonna light somebody up today and I'm gonna make their day. I'm gonna make them laugh. I'm gonna do something unexpected. That just makes somebody really, really happy. And then I took that as my challenge and like by, by noon I had done it and I was like, that's just a little thing that wasn't gonna happen, but it was a lot of forward momentum towards something that I personally care about, which is being that type of dude, being that type of dude who's in that type of mood, who put— it's contagious with other people.

When I hear light someone up, I don't think make their day good. I think the opposite.

Well, yeah, there is like a— we're not playing Halo here or whatever. I'm gonna light them up, like, you know, brighten their day.

I feel that. Well, I think that's good. Let me know what you're— what you're— how you're gonna organize this.

Well, now that I said it, I feel like I have to do it. This was an idea that I was not gonna do until I just got roped into doing it here on the pod. But okay, we'll do it. Okay. Do you have anything else on this New Year thing that you wanna talk about?

No, I just think that we have to make goals and we have to make them and you have to decide and start acting on them before January 1st. Doing goals on January 1st is weak. That's nonsense. That's nonsense. We can't be doing that.

You know, we did a Spartan race, I think, together, but that one and Tough Mudder, they do this thing where before you get to the start line, like, it's like, oh, I'm here to do the Tough Mudder race. You go, you're trying to get to the starting point, and there's like a wall you got to climb just to get to the starting line. And, you know, it's sort of like laughable. It's like stereotypical thing, but it's like, yeah, but it's fun, but it's fun. And it's, it's a, it's a line in the sand. It's like either you believe that this sort of thing is awesome Or you should just leave now, honestly, if you're like, and I can bitch about the wall before the starting line. Well, guess what happens after the starting line? A bunch of walls and a bunch of obstacles and adversity that's coming your way. And if you aren't willing to do it before, you know, to go before go, like, you know, you're not, this is not for you. And I just love that. Like, I remember filing that away in the, in the mental swipe file of like, that's how you build a brand. Is you like, you think about what would be the way that we would do a starting line? Do before you even get to the start line, there's an obstacle. And I, I remember thinking that, that, so that's kind of like the New Year's thing to me. There's like the, the starting line is not January 1st, it's now.

Yeah. Whenever I create, like, you know, everyone has this thing where they go, I'm gonna eat healthy starting tomorrow. And that just says to them like, all right, I could pig out now, but I'm gonna start tomorrow. And whenever I think of dieting, I'm like, no, whenever you have the idea, to like, I'm gonna do this. You have to actually start this second.

I'll do that same thing, and but I'll be like, I was like, if I have the plate in front of me, I'm like, all right, I'm already feeling guilty. It's not finish this meal and start healthy tomorrow. It's I have to physically go take this plate to the garbage can and throw it away. But first, and I take the last bite like I'm a prisoner on death row, and this is the last bite, and I just savor that last bite like it is like every Every particle of that bite is like my heaven. And then after that bite, I go throw the thing away.

That's right. You gotta start right away. So that's my whole thing with goals. If you're gonna do 'em, you gotta start right away. What, what's this? Are, what, what do you wanna go? What's the most interesting thing? Arbitrage, that and money quote automatically have me interested.

Okay, let me do the money quote real quick. I saw this and this is something that I would say like resonated with me as a lesson for the year, right? We all know your boys lost a lot of money this year. We know, we know it happened. We know that the— that there, there is such a thing as the risk playing out this year. And one thing that really stood out was when I read this quote, I read it on Twitter. I'll read it to you.

By the way, how do you feel about losing money? Are you actually upset?

Look, nobody, nobody likes losing money. I don't like losing the money, but the adversity is my opportunity.

So yeah, but do you go to— do you go to bed— do you, do you go to bed worried?

No. What's that gonna do?

Well, most people— if I ever felt that way, I'd be like What's that going to do for me?

And then I would stop.

Okay, so you're— you are worried, but you're not that worried. You're sleeping fine.

There's no worry. Worry wouldn't even— worry's not even close. It's more like if there is an emotion that I would feel that's negative, it would be like, ah, shit, or ah, fuck, right? Like, it's like—

well, is it out of fear or out of embarrassment?

Out of like kicking myself, like, dang, I made a mistake, or maybe I should have thought—

like, you're like ashamed of yourself? Like, you're like, you're just upset that I made a bad decision?

Yeah, it's like, oh, I— you know, it's like if I'm playing ping pong and I hit the ball into the net, it's like, ah, that was an unforced— there was an unforced error. Could I have done something differently? Could I have shifted my angle slightly? Could I have taken a little less power on it or whatever? Right? Like there are things you ask yourself, could I not have read the signs differently or hedged or done certain things in order to protect myself?

But, but do you feel pressure now that you gotta go make that up? Are you like, shit, I put all this work in to get the initial thing. Now I gotta go put more time in to go get it back.

Sure. All right. Well, and so what about the money quote?

Why? Because what do you do?

When I feel like there's a moment to make money, I act very impulsively, quickly. I'll not put as much thought and research or diligence or patience into making a decision. I won't sleep on it because if it's making money, I try to strike while the iron's hot. And that served me well in some ways, but it's also been the source of many mistakes.. And then there's the other side of it when I'm trying to protect money. So for example, I'll tell you in the crypto case right now, it's like I saw and heard, because we were doing the Milk Road, we started reporting about these collapses before they happened. Like the Luna collapse right before it happened, the Celsius one before it happened. We put it in the newsletter, the FTX one. And in each case I kind of was like, oh, let me see how this plays out. When the prudent thing to do would've been to act more swiftly and say, hey, just out of an abundance of caution, let me withdraw my money out of this thing, or let me place a hedge, let me, let me do something to protect myself here. And I kind of was just like, let me sit back and let's see it when the action arrives, then I'll take, then I'll put my, my dukes up, right? And in reality, so I've learned that for me, this is a really good rule of thumb, which is if I'm trying to make money, that's the time to slow down, be a little more diligent. If I'm trying, if it's about, if I'm in a protect money mode, I should be pushing the action and acting more decisively and quickly because my nature is to do the opposite.

Dude, my nature is to do— so I'm pretty slow when it comes to money-making stuff. I'm like, no, I'm going to like actually assess if I want to do this. If it involves like a business that I have to operate or think about, I go, you know, do I want to do this for a long period of time? Let me actually reflect on this. But then when it comes to selling and protecting, I don't, I don't. So like if I buy a piece of property or something like that and let's say it's not working, I'm like, I don't care. I'm holding on to this. If I, if I own like some type of public equity, I go, I just pretend that it— like, I just can't sell. I've never sold a stock in my life, and I'm not sure if that's actually wise.

You've never sold a stock?

Never. I don't think so. I don't think ever. Not one ever. Maybe when I was fucking around, I was like trying to create content for the podcast when the AMC thing happened, and I think I bought $500 worth of stuff and then I sold it when I earned like a 10% return in one day and I was just like fucking around to like figure out how Robinhood— but that was more experimental. But no, besides that, I don't think I've ever really sold a stock in my life. I think that maybe my wealth manager or like my banker like does like tax harvests where like he's like, yeah, but like me personally, I have never sold. I've never sold a single stock.

That's amazing. Wow. Okay, so great. You're wired very well for success when it comes to—

You sold— wait, but so when you like buy and sell like equities, Yeah, for sure. No, I don't ever do that. I've never done that in my life. I don't think that's the right thing to do. Do you actually think that you're going to outperform someone who actually does this for a living and has like $20 billion or $50 billion in assets?

Well, either way you're thinking that, right? Like even if you don't sell, you're putting your money in assuming you're— I don't think I'm not trying to outperform somebody else. I'm simply trying to make more money. I'm trying to increase my rate of return. I'm trying to make more money or reduce my losses. And so one strategy is buy and hold forever, buy good assets, buy and hold them forever. And another as— another one is Sean wakes up, feels a certain type of way, and starts making decisions that he shouldn't be making, right?

Like, what if I told you that you're allowed to go start a private business and you're allowed to go do things like that, but any profit that you make, what it has to go into this pile of money that you can never touch again unless you want to withdraw the gains, but you cannot invest in anything other than this one thing, but it will get a 7.5% return every single year. For the next 100 years, would you accept that 7.5% return?

Shoot me in the head, why don't you? I mean, come on. What if I said you can only have white bread and turkey slices for the rest of your life?

So you wouldn't take that 7.5% return every single year?

No, dude, that is the craziest thing on earth. Really? I would take that all day. I'm not saying I'm a day trader, but I guess what I guess what I'm saying— wait, so you would not want to literally not be able to touch my money forever, nor would I not want to— no, I mean, not be able to make any decisions. It's like, ah, that's okay, if I, if I, if I, if I overperform, if I underperform, it's not even for that. It's just like, what's the fun in living like that? That doesn't sound fun to me.

What? But in this scenario, you can go and start— you can go and generate wealth, but any like wealth that you make that you don't spend on things that you actually consume and use for—

so I can invest in startups? I love investing in startups.

You don't want that. I put a portion of my money in that, right? So I have a portion of my money in index funds that I don't touch. I don't think about, but all?

Why does it have to be all?

Let me have some fun.

Why am I trying to get rich? What about 95%?

95%? Jesus, dude, this is crazy.

All right.

So let's say I'm 18, that's my best offer. And I'm not giving you a dollar more than that. 17%.

You have to admit, so for all of our listeners here, I actually think that most people might think like you at this moment right now. But can you— and if you're listening, you have to ask yourself this— but Sean, can you acknowledge that the 7.5%—

intervention— what's that?

Listen, listen, can you acknowledge that the 7.5% is financially the safe and correct move? Like, that will— in turn, I don't know how, like, like, you know, nerd bankers do the math, but like, statistically speaking, like, that is the best— that is the best probability to get like a high— a good rate of return.

No, I disagree. Uh, here's why. That is crazy. Here's why, here's why, here's why. I can take that money and just invest it in my own businesses. I can put the capital up for my own business and grow them at a much faster rate. I've done that multiple times. I did that.

Oh, in this scenario you could still do that. I'm just saying like any profit—

oh, I can't take— I can take money, put in my own businesses, you're saying?

Yeah, I'm saying you could start businesses, but like any— you basically have two— you have one account, or you have two accounts, a checking account that's just like for your living, and then just like an investment account. And then you could go and like, hey, look, I'm gonna go and start— put a little bit of money into my own privately held company. I'm saying you could do privately held companies, but you can't invest in anything outside of those things.

Yeah, so I think that for most people that is the correct answer. I think that for me that is not the correct answer.

For Tim, most people think they are not most people, which is crazy here.

That's true. That's true. For an above average person like me, and everybody who's listening is like, I'm above average too. The average person thinks they're above average.

This is absolutely crazy to me because if you just look at like all the evidence here, like even—

no, more like Buffett, it's the best ever money. And I put it into either investments that I have access to, like I think my startup portfolio is going to beat 7.5% average. I fundamentally believe that. So I'm going to put some amount of capital in that. Like, if you're betting that your startup portfolio or my startup, my Angel portfolio, is going to be worse than 7.5%, that's a— you could say that and it might end up being true. I'm not saying it's not true. I personally don't believe that's going to be true. It has other problems. It's illiquid and there's other things like that. But I think the rate of return is going to be closer to 20 or 30%. And so I'm gonna put some of my money towards that. I'll put some into my own businesses. I might buy a business or buy a minority stake in other people's businesses that are growing 20, 30, 40% a year. And again, different liquid, different liquidity, different risk profiles. But like, I do think that that is how I would prefer to play the game. And I'm okay with the fact that this might mean that I don't beat the 7.5%. I, you know, I'd rather be the hare than the tortoise. And I'm okay if the tortoise wins, the tortoise wins, but the hare had a lot more fun. And I just sort of believe that, you know, I'm gonna do well financially through my own businesses and my investments that like, I'd rather do it the way that's a little more engaging to the brain than just saying—

do you have any money in index funds?

Boglehead or whatever you call yourselves.

That, yeah. Do you have any money in index funds?

Yeah, yeah, yeah, I do. I, I have hundreds of thousands of dollars in index funds.

I, I, I think you're crazy, dude. The way that I look at it is my privately held companies, those generate wealth, those generate, you know, cash flow and income. And then I only want to focus on maximizing returns in that area. And then the whole rest I just put in this thing that I don't even log into.

I think that's a good strategy. I'm not saying that's a bad strategy. I think that is a good strategy. It is just not the one I choose for myself.

I, I think for most— for you, you are not most people, not actually in the sense that your investments are good. I do agree that they will be great. But you are different from the sense— in the sense of you don't get stressed out about things. But for most every other person out there, I think they should 100% follow my— the way that I do things.

Most people don't have a floating light bulb on their desk, do they? But I do. What are the 4 most dangerous words in the English language? 401.

The stupidest shit you've ever said.

We're going full First Take and I'm going full Skip Bayless on you.

All right, what do you, what do you got?

All right, so that's the money quote. Let me tell you about— okay, let me ask you a question about arbitrage. This is actually the least— I have some more well-researched stuff in this, but I want to hear what you have to say about this.

Okay, when I hear the word arbitrage, I automatically don't love it.

Okay, you might not like this question then. The question is, what are some of the great arbitrages you or your friends have capitalized on? And I asked this because I've bumped into people and I've met people who I think are really good at this. Your best buddy, Jack Smith, I think is very good at this. He's very good at identifying arbitrages. And I think these are kind of a horrible strategy to pursue for a couple reasons. Well, let's define what an arbitrage is. An arbitrage is where you recognize some inefficiency where you almost don't have to create any value. You don't have to create a product. You just sort of recognize that the system is slightly broken, you know, like you could buy something over here for X, you could sell it over there for Y with very minimal work in between and just pocket the difference. And you're like, oh wow, that's amazing that they just didn't recognize this. And it won't last forever, but it— when, you know, well, it does last, you can make hay. What are some arbitrages that you know of that people have done? I want to talk about those.

Too late, you already did, actually.

Yeah, I ended up shutting it down. I thought it was so stupid. But that's one example of an arbitrage that I've personally done. What's an arbitrage that I've seen other people do?

I don't know. I think Jack told me about one of— Jack told me about a few that he's done, but I think one that he's done that I— I, I vaguely remember, I might get some details wrong here, but for a while Jack was very, very active on Rally Road.

Rally Road.

So Rally Road or Otis, these basically these marketplaces.

He was the number one user.

Yeah, you could buy like fractional shares of unique items. So, you know, like an original box set of Harry Potter or like this rare Pokémon card. So you could buy these collectibles. It was a, it was a place to buy collectibles. You could buy full or fractional shares.. And, um, Jack was extremely active on these and I thought, oh, Jack didn't know you were such a big collector. And he's like, I'm not, I'm not, just, you know, thought it was interesting and I just noticed this opportunity.

And I think what Jack had set up was, and, and by the way, with Rally Road, you can buy things that are like nerdy things that mostly boys like. So it's like you could own, uh, a portion of a 1965 Ford Mustang. You could own a portion of a like a 1977 Elvis Presley last live performance ticket, or this rare Andy Warhol painting, things that are, like, pop culture, sometimes manly man stuff, of which Jack is not, like, a traditional manly man. And I'm like, "Jack." He goes, "Yeah." I told him about, like, some Jaguar car. He goes, "Oh, the Jaguar F1?" Like, "Yeah, I own a part of it." And I was like, "You like that?" He goes, "No. I don't know. I didn't even know what it was. I just saw it on a spreadsheet." Yeah, exactly. That's how he is.

So I think what he was doing was he recognized that that these platforms would have what they would call like an IPO or something like that, initial public offering, where they would sell the thing and it would happen and it's like this moment and then you could bid and you could buy and then they would like, then it would start trading. And he noticed that like there was just more demand than supply for those things. And so he created like, I don't know, a bot or like a set of human beings that would like go buy as much as he could in the IPO and then he would just like immediately flip it right afterwards. And he extended that. I think he had, like, at one point he had a team of people in the Philippines that were just constantly searching for— I hope I could share all this. This wasn't like a secret, right?

Like, he was— I don't think he's still doing it.

And by the way, this guy, Jack Smith, you can look him up on YouTube. He's our good friend. He started a company that he sold for $800 million when he was like 29 or 30. So he probably had millions of dollars on these platforms.

Yeah. Yeah. I think he spent millions of dollars on these platforms. And so he was kind of doing this at scale and I think he was making a pretty crazy return. Doing this. I think he was making, I don't know, I wouldn't be surprised he was making 40, 50, 60% returns on these, on these, on these items. And he was like scaling it pretty well. And I was like, Jack, what are you doing? Like, you know, hey, you genius, how did you even see this? Like, how did you even see this opportunity? Why, why did your brain even look at this? Secondly, just the balls to actually go for it and like set up this operation and like, yeah, put a significant amount of money in. Like, God, that's so different. I've never done something like that on a non-business. This is like not a business. This is literally just like an arbitrage. And then third, like, this is what you do with your time. Do you find these like little cracks in the system and just exploit them, these edges? And I think that's what he does.

I'm looking at them now.

And you know, this is another arbitrage where they're not like creating a ton of value, they're just sort of like connecting these pipes.

We had a guy— 68,000 sales, vintage wall graphics.

Yeah. And so I'm pretty sure that they're just literally like automatically like going and doing a dropship model where they print, they print the order through one of these, these platforms. And they could always do the printing themselves if they want more margin, but like if you're just a lazy arbitrage, this is a great arbitrage to pick up. And then there's all these little places where these arbitrages exist. And you know, I, I start to think about those and I wonder, who are these people that spend a lot of time looking at this and is that worth it? Now I'll tell you why I don't think it's worth it. It's tempting to do for me for one reason, which is there's a sick pleasure at making a bunch of money with a very extremely low amount of effort of just, it was your cleverness that, that drove this. It's also fun to tell these stories if this is something you've done. So it's nice to have one or two of these in the bag of an arbitrage you've done, just to have the story. I feel like it's like a badge of honor for, for a certain type of entrepreneur. And the last thing, you know, so there's the positives. The negatives are these arbitrages don't last for long. As soon as they, you know, get exploited, you know, then the second arbitrage comes by, starts doing it, and the edge goes away. The window of opportunity closes. So you're kind of hunting for a long time and then you find something and it's probably not gonna last for a very long time.

Yeah. I don't think all, like, I don't, I doubt Elon has, has, you know, done some random ass, like, you know, arbitrage on some dating site or something like that.

No, but he's done dumb shit. He still does dumb shit. Like he sells like stupid stuff.

Well, there's that. But like, I guess what I'm saying is, I guess I would put it differently. Anyone who has done that, I'm like, you have what it takes.

Like, exactly.

It's not that everybody who's, who makes it big has done that, but everybody—

sorry, I meant to say a large, a large amount. Yeah. Yeah.

And, and has a very high likelihood of making it big. It's just a matter of time until they start to apply their talents into that, you know, into that realm.

And like, we have this friend who, who we met at your thing, Syed, Syed, who owns WPBeginner and all the— in Awesomeness Corp, I think it's called. He probably— I don't know how big it is, but it's probably like worth hundreds of millions of dollars. I want, I want to get him to come onto the pod. So he's this guy who owns this like WordPress— it's called WPBeginner. It's like a blog that blogs about different WordPress plugins and stuff. And then he eventually went and bought the plugins and he like now is like a plugin, WordPress plugin, like mafia. Like they own everything you could think of. And it's huge. It's a huge thing that he owns. And he was telling me some stories about how he started and I'm like, oh, this is just the same story I've heard over and over and over again. Like something like not like scammy, but like, you know, something like you're just like doing normal internet marketing stuff. Like you probably were an affiliate for some product that you thought was stupid., but it just made enough money that you learned, oh, I should actually do this, but for things that can last a long— a longer time. Right. You know what I mean?

Yeah. I think one of his also was like, he went and changed his grades. He like hacked into the school system and changed his grades or something like that. So yeah, I don't know if that was a real story or a fake story, but I loved it.

Yeah. Like if I hear stories like that, just like, oh, like you definitely have what it takes.

Right. All right, let's do, let's do another one. You got anything else or you want me to do one?

Do you know any of the details about Pipe?

And then suddenly— But it gets valued at $2 billion after 9 or 12 months of existence. Yeah. Gets huge quick.

And I used it, for example, with my fund. It's like, oh, you get these management fees. It's like, oh, but you could pipe them and have them all right now instead of waiting. It's like, oh yeah, I'll push this button instead of wait. That makes sense to me. And so cool idea. Now, This week, for some reason, all of the founders stepped down, and which is, you know, generally speaking, bit of a red flag. All the founders stepped down and they're like, hey, we're gonna hire new people, but they don't have them in place. That was the part which was a little bit strange. So first, it's strange that all three founders stepped down at the same time. Then it's strange that they didn't have replacements in lieu, ready for it. And so people think, you know, Pipe might be imploding. I don't know the story. Did I miss anything there?

Well, the rumor was— see, someone tweeted it and actually got deleted. I don't know why, but the rumor was basically— and this is 100% rumor— and the founder actually came out and said, no, that's, that's nonsense. This is completely untrue. But basically someone tweeted, 4 people now have shared what happened. Pipe CEO loaned $80 million to a Bitcoin mining company, didn't tell the board, lost it all. Board fires CEO months ago. They had already sold a bunch of secondary shares and may have taken personal loans out as well. Which if all those things are true, that's horrible. Founder has said, no, none of that's true other than the secondaries, which we've made public that we did in fact sell secondaries. But just a juicy, interesting story that we'll have to wait and see how it turns out. I would've thought that you would've known something.

Yeah, it hasn't played out yet. I don't know. You know, sounds like bad news and you know, it's not relevant to me. So I, you know, I stayed away from it for now, but we'll see. We'll see. I'm sure this will come out and I don't think you can keep I don't think you can keep the cat in the bag on this type of thing. Um, oh, by the way, what happened with your thread about Andrew Chen with, uh, Jason Calacanis? I saw something popping off, but I didn't know. Were you, were you in harm's way? Do I need to get in there?

No, I appreciate that. But see, so here's what happened. So 2 years ago, Andrew Chen, who's a partner at a16z, him and I were at a mutual friend's house when a storm came, and I thought it would be— and I asked him like advice. I was like, how do you angel invest? And I purposely had like a sarcastic funny opener of like, I spent 72 hours trapped in a closet or trapped in an apartment, and it was like supposed to funny, but it's kind of hard to be like, to tell sarcasm on Twitter, I guess. And at the time I tweeted out his 5 like rules and like a lot of people hated them. And one of them was to run towards the heat. So hyped companies, that's like a good way to angel invest because hype is real, whatever. And I said, these are what he said. And then today or Sunday, someone tweeted out and they said, 2 years after this tweet, and this is why we are left with FTX Bird scooters. What are the other ones?

Fast. Fast. Yeah.

Pipe and a bunch of other like high-profile things that haven't done so great, of which I, Andrew didn't invest in one, by the way. Not one of those. But anyway, and they took a screenshot and they shared my tweets and they were kind of making fun of me. And then Jason Calcanis also shared the same thing and I thought he was making fun of me. So I started chirping back at him and then he DM'd me. He goes, I wasn't trying to make fun of you. I was just trying to make fun of Andrew basically. Basically is— that's not exactly how he said it, but that was the implied thing. And I was like, well, I didn't sense that from you. And he goes, well, I'm sorry you felt that way. All love. And I go, all right, that's fair. We're cool. And so I didn't— no, I didn't pounce. But we're cool. I've got nothing but love for him. You make fun of those guys all the time, or Chamath at least. I've never once— if you go back and listen, I've never once made fun of any of them. I like Jason. He's been nothing but nice to me throughout my career, but I, I was holding back and I'm happy I did. So we're all good.

Yeah. But I got a little bit of throwdown on those types of things though.

I am, I am ready to throw down. I like one guy, I was like, you know, I, dude, I know I see you in Austin. I'm going to see you again, just so you know. And, uh, like, I'm more, I'll see you, I'll see you around Austin.

He goes, is that a threat? You go, No, I live in Austin too. I was like, I think that was a threat.

Dude, I— by the way, I will— I'm— I've done— I've been to jail. I do— I've been a bad person in my past, and I will never break the law again. My goal in life is to never break the law. I will never— I'm totally a pacifist. I will— I do not want to hurt anyone, so I will— my intention is never to do anything wrong. I'm just saying, like, if I see someone, I'm gonna like be like, hey, you were being rude to me online, be rude to me now. I'm not gonna hit anyone, I'm not gonna hurt anyone, but I would have no problem confronting someone. That's how it should be, right?

Sure.

Am I wrong for reacting to these people?

I've been to jail.

What I'm saying is, I— when I used to get in trouble, I promise, I go, I don't want to do this ever again. I don't want to do anything bad. I don't want to hurt anyone. I don't want to—

but you do, you do train like you're preparing for a fight.

Yeah, I do, but I don't—

I, I will—

I like, I will never hit someone. I would— I'll let someone hit me a bunch before I react.

But if you did, you'd win the fight.

I would hope so. I would hope so. At least against someone on Twitter, more likely than not.

If you got a Twitter account, I could kick your ass.

Yeah, if you're one of the 300 million people on Twitter, then there's a good chance that I'll come out on top, but not always. But I don't know, am I wrong for reacting to these people?

No, I thought it was hilarious. And then they're like, down on the 'see you in Austin.' That should have been— that should have been, 'Yeah, I'll see you around,' not 'I know, I'm just saying we live in the same town.' That's not what you were saying. Why'd you change?

Dude, I'm not gonna— I'm not gonna incriminate myself. You can't incriminate yourself, man. I've learned enough.

No paper trail.

Yeah, you can't incriminate yourself. And then some guy was like, 'Yeah, you, you're like a— just own it, you're a get-rich-quick type of guy.' And I said, uh, name one example of like, could it be this example where I replied to someone and said the best way to make money is to work 40 hours a week on a company that you start for 15 years? Is that a good example of my get rich quick like mentality? Like, show me an example. And he is like, I guess, I guess you can't show me an example. Or he said, I can't show you an example.

I don't— the podcast, My First Million.

Yeah. I'm like, what does that have to do with getting rich quick? And he goes, well, I just, I can't, I can't find an example. So I just said, thanks for the apology, bitch. Like that, that just, that's good enough for me. That's all I need. I'm just a petty son of a gun. Yeah, you know what I mean? I'm just petty sometimes, but, uh, whatever. It's all good. Should I not react to this stuff? Is this below me?

No, no, it's good. It's good. I enjoy it. I'm here for it. Should you? No, of course not. But like, do I want you to? Yeah, I do.

Do you ever react to it?

There's been a few situations where I've argued with people, but, you know, yeah, you know, it doesn't really get you anywhere. And also, there's been some— there's been many, like, I've sent you some of the vicious tweets that never sent, or I just say, look, this is a screenshot, send it to Sam. You don't push send on this one because, you know, it's the wrong type of lighting someone up, right? You're not trying to do that right now. Don't, don't do that. But, you know, Taylor Lorenz did get it. She did get it. She was called the Jake Paul of journalism, and like, you know, she never really recovered from that, I don't think.

So at this point, I don't even want to make fun of her anymore. Like, it's like making fun of Kanye. It's like, you know, you're working through some stuff. We gotta—

I don't want to— maybe she— I don't know, she blocked me. I haven't paid attention. Is she working through some stuff? Is that what's happening?

It appears that way. Like, there was like videos of her crying about how she's like getting so much hatred on the internet, and I'm like, oof, that could wear you down. I don't want to— I don't want to even— I don't want to pile on. Yeah, it's like making fun of Kanye. It's like, you know, that's— you don't make fun— you don't call someone an idiot when they're actually an idiot. You know what I mean?

That's true. One of the golden rules of my first movie.

Yeah. You don't make fun of— you don't call a crazy person crazy.

You know what I mean?

You just don't do that. So anyway, it looks like she's working through some stuff. So that's why I say there's a few other people like that who you and I know of.— that I'm like, this crossed the threshold where we can't mock them anymore.

Right, right. All right. Well, get well soon, Taylor and Kanye and anybody else out there who's genuinely going through stuff and it's not all in good fun anymore. All right. Fair enough.

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