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Elon Musk

Businessman known for leading Tesla and SpaceX; founder of xAI and co-founder of PayPal.

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SPECIAL: Thomas Edison (Part 3)Sep 18, 2021

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In the moments

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Take

You don't need to be Elon — buy a poorly-run boring business and fix it

Wilkinson's takeaway from Lemann: skip the urge to invent something revolutionary. Take a traditional, poorly-run business — ideally one that's low-risk, growing, and succeeding despite bad management — and simply run it better.

you don't need to do something innovative and crazy, right? You don't need to be the next Elon Musk or start some crazy technology. You can just choose a traditional business that's very poorly run. And run it better. And I, you know, even better if it's a business that's low risk growing and kind of successful despite bad management or, you know, bloated cost structure or something.

Steal thisSkip inventing the next big thing: acquire a boring, poorly-managed but growing business and create value just by running it better.

EP 185 · 31:10 · ANDREW WILKINSON
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Fact

'Substack: where B players teach C players what A players do'

Shaan quotes a critique he attributes to Hunter Walk — 'Substack, where B players teach C players what A players do' — as a sharp, harsh-but-true callout that the true icons (e.g. Elon Musk) rarely create content because they're busy doing the actual thing.

I remember reading once that I can't get this out of my head, which is like, they go, Substack, where B players teach C players what A players do. I was like, oh shit, that's so good. That's such a kill shot.
EP 184 · 55:57 · SHAAN
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Take

The best marketers don't spend a dime

Shaan's thesis: Elon Musk sells cars and launches rockets without running commercials, and Jake Paul sells millions in pay-per-views by hijacking attention. Some operators win by commandeering free attention in the news rather than buying ads.

And, you know, Tesla never runs a commercial. Jake Paul is like, does the same. He's going to sell millions of dollars of pay-per-views for this boxing match that he has coming up without a commercial. And I said the best marketers don't spend a dime, right?

Steal thisEngineer attention-grabbing moments that the press and social media spread for free instead of paying for ads.

EP 183 · 5:14 · SAM
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Story

Synthesis: The School Elon Built Inside SpaceX, Spun Out

Shaan tells the origin of Synthesis: Elon Musk built a school inside SpaceX (Ad Astra) because traditional schooling teaches tools without purpose. Kids learned through competitive, Ender's Game-style simulations, and the game system was later spun out with Elon's blessing.

his big kind of like theory was, In schools, they teach you, like, here's this tool, right? Like, let's say calculus or algebra, right? Like, here's algebra, go learn algebra. But they don't tell you kind of like why you need to know algebra, right? Like, maybe they should be teaching you how to, you know, run a lemonade stand. And in order to calculate how many lemons you're going to need per day, boom, we'll teach you algebra. That's a tool to help you do this thing you wanted to do. So his big thing was, why don't we teach kids how engines work rather than what a wrench is, as like a basic analogy.
EP 175 · 26:27 · SHAAN
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Story

How Calacanis got into Robinhood: a bar pitch with Elon present

Calacanis recounts meeting Robinhood's founders in a Palo Alto dive bar while having a drink with Elon Musk. Vlad's pitch was to get commitment-phobic, debt-laden millennials to trade stocks for free at a time when retail investors had vanished since 2008, and the absurdity of the pitch is exactly why Jason invested.

He said, "Well, we're going to make it free." I said, "So your idea is to go after a group of people who are on their parents' Netflix accounts to save money, get them to trade stocks, and your business model is free?" He's like, "Yep." I was like, "I'm in." So I invested.
EP 150 · 9:54 · JASON CALACANIS
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Take

Act wild where everyone is buttoned-up to win outsized attention

Shaan argues founders get disproportionate attention by behaving unexpectedly: in the tech world everyone is 'buttoned up,' so a wild stunt (Chamath, Elon, MrBeast's manager tipping $10k) earns a reward the community rarely sees. The content builds the audience that ultimately makes the money.

I think what you see some people doing— Chamath is doing a ton of this, which Elon does a ton of this, which is when you're supposed to be buttoned up, and then you act a little wild, you get this disproportionate reward of attention because that community doesn't get a lot of that.

Steal thisFind the channel where everyone behaves predictably, then break pattern to capture attention nobody else is competing for.

EP 149 · 11:49 · SHAAN
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Billy

Miami's mayor handwrites letters to poach California talent

Shaan marvels at Miami mayor Francis Suarez, who personally handwrites letters to influential people inviting them to Miami every time California does something dumb, even publicly recruiting Elon Musk's Boring Company on Twitter, prompting Elon and the governor to engage.

So he is basically saying, as California, every time California does something dumb, he personally handwrites a letter to an influential person saying, come out to Miami, I would love to have you here.
EP 147 · 52:26 · SHAAN
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Number

Elon sold $10M of Tesla flamethrowers in 100 hours

Shaan notes that Tesla's $500 branded flamethrower sold $10 million worth in 100 hours, and the Boring Company hat sold $600,000 worth, as examples of using novelty merch to fund and build a brand.

$10M
Flamethrower sales in 100 hours · USD
All right, flamethrowers. So he, you know, they made a flamethrower, a Tesla brand of flamethrower, I think, and it was $500, and he sold $10 million worth of it in 100 hours.
EP 129 · 29:34 · SHAAN
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Number

Elon sold $10M of Tesla flamethrowers in 100 hours

Shaan notes that Tesla's $500 branded flamethrower sold $10 million worth in 100 hours, and the Boring Company hat sold $600,000 worth, as examples of using novelty merch to fund and build a brand.

$10M
Flamethrower sales in 100 hours · USD
All right, flamethrowers. So he, you know, they made a flamethrower, a Tesla brand of flamethrower, I think, and it was $500, and he sold $10 million worth of it in 100 hours.
EP 129 · 29:34 · SHAAN
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Tactic

Elon as 'greatest dropshipper': slap your brand on commodities at 10x markup

Shaan calls Elon the greatest dropshipper because he takes commodity products and slaps the Tesla brand on them as novelty items at roughly 10x markup, like a $250 Tesla tequila that would otherwise sell for $30.

So like, this isn't the best tequila, it's Tesla tequila, the limited edition fun thing for Tesla fanboys that can be char— you know, he's charging $250 a bottle for this thing that's probably normally would sell for $30. He's got this 10x markup because it is a novelty product to his fanboys.

Steal thisAttach a strong brand to a commodity product and sell it as a limited-edition novelty at a multiple of its base cost.

EP 129 · 34:14 · SHAAN
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Number

Elon's $548M line of credit so he never sells a share

Shaan reads off that Elon Musk has a $548 million line of credit with Morgan Stanley, Goldman Sachs, and Bank of America, letting him live off borrowed money rather than selling Tesla/SpaceX shares and triggering taxes.

$548M
Elon Musk's line of credit · USD
So Elon has, let me check, Elon has a $548 million line of credit out with Morgan Stanley, Goldman Sachs, Bank of America, all these different folks. So he's living off this $500 million line of credit so that he doesn't have to sell any shares, doesn't pay any taxes on the sale.
EP 125 · 10:30 · SHAAN
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Take

The Olympic lifestyle trap: greatness can be miserable to live

Shaan argues the Elon Musk / Michael Phelps path of extreme stress and sacrifice is more fun to watch than to live. He calls it an 'Olympic lifestyle' and says he'd refuse all the gold medals rather than endure what Phelps did to win them.

They live what I call an Olympic lifestyle. It's like, I think Michael Phelps is dope. When I heard what Michael Phelps's life was like while he was training to be Michael Phelps, I was like, that's a trap. That's miserable. I would never want to do that. Like, you can give me all the gold medals. I don't want that.
EP 123 · 30:45 · SHAAN
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Take

Own 10 car dealerships for 50 years instead of chasing the moonshot

Andrew Wilkinson explains why he deliberately chose the Buffett-style path over the Elon path: most people who set out to innovate fail and live unhappy lives, so he'd rather own boring durable businesses, sit on them, and enjoy a good life.

So I'd way rather own 10 car dealerships and sit on them for 50 years, live a nice life, have lots of kids, live somewhere I like, hang out with my friends, then spend 50 years trying to innovate and do something crazy and launch rockets to Mars, but have a miserable life, right? I'm glad people like Elon Musk exist, but I don't really want to do that personally.

Steal thisDecide whether you're playing the durable-cashflow game or the moonshot game, and stop applying one game's strategy to the other.

EP 97 · 5:23 · ANDREW WILKINSON
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Take

Every business is selling, the only question is the vehicle

Sam's take on the 'we have no salespeople' myth: Elon Musk is one of the greatest salesmen ever; claiming you don't need salespeople is itself part of the pitch. Every business sells, you just choose the vehicle (salespeople, ads, content) to fit your product and price point.

Elon is clearly one of the greatest salesmen of all time, and then he talks about how they don't employ salespeople, blah blah. That's part of his sales pitch, is that our product is so good we don't need salespeople. And, um, you know, he does his sales through Twitter and through video presentations, like, on stage, and all different types of things where they— you always got to sell. It's just a question of what's the vehicle.

Steal thisMatch your selling vehicle to your price point: salespeople for enterprise, content and ads for low-ticket.

EP 73 · 34:00 · SHAAN
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Story

Elon open-sourced the Hyperloop and got 3 funded teams plus a hiring pipeline

Shaan's example of the bounty model: rather than starting a Hyperloop company, Elon Musk published the white paper openly, which led to 3 companies getting funded with tens of millions to build it, plus university competitions that doubled as a talent pipeline he could hire from.

And instead of him building it or starting a company, he just published it openly on the internet, and then 3 different teams, I believe, 3 different companies got funded with tens of millions of dollars to build the Hyperloop off of this design. And then he's like, cool, I'll be involved, I'll show up at the test track competitions. I think they got a bunch of university students to like do little mini versions of these competitions for Hyperloop. And for him, he's like, great, these— this is a talent pipeline to hire from.

Steal thisPublish your hard problem openly so funded teams and recruitable talent come to you instead of you chasing them.

EP 70 · 1:03:18 · SHAAN
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Idea

Fast Grants: YC-style science funding decided in under 48 hours

Shaan describes Fast Grants (created by Stripe's Patrick/John Collison), which fixes the slow science-grant system by making a $10K-$500K funding decision in under 48 hours, wired immediately. Backers include Paul Graham, Reid Hoffman, Chris Sacca, and Elon Musk, with over $15M committed.

So Fast Grant is basically a $10,000 to $500,000 decision made in under 48 hours. If you approve the grant, if the grant is approved, you receive the payment as quickly as can be wired to your account. Now, and so they have the Carlson brothers behind it. They have Paul Graham, Reid Hoffman, Chris Sacca, Elon Musk, a whole bunch of different people. So they have— they've committed over $15 million already in fast grants.
EP 68 · 51:44 · SHAAN
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Take

Munger on Musk: never underestimate the man who overestimates himself

Shaan relays Charlie Munger's take on Elon Musk: he may overestimate himself but when he's right he's right very big. Yet Munger says he'd never hire Musk for a Berkshire company — he wants the prudent person who understands his limitations over the delusional one who occasionally wins huge.

never underestimate the man who overestimates himself. I think Elon Musk is peculiar in that he may overestimate himself, but he's not wrong all the time. And when he's right, he seems to be right very big.
EP 47 · 36:52 · SHAAN
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Framework

Position it like 'Tesla for sleep' — borrow a hot brand's halo

Gravity's mood board was 'Tesla for sleep': a science-forward, premium feel launched while Elon Musk was at peak cultural worship. Right branding, messaging, audience, and timing combined to make the Kickstarter explode.

We played into this whole, like our mood board, as stupid as it sounds, was like Tesla. For sleep, right? And so we did Gravity Blanket and we gave it this whole science feel.

Steal thisAnchor a new product's brand to a culturally beloved company as shorthand for its vibe.

EP 13 · 15:57 · JOHN FIORENTINO
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Fact

The 'tribe of maniacs': frontier telegraph operators were the original Silicon Valley

Wilson argues the tramp telegraph operators were a textbook 'tribe of maniacs' that mirrors early Silicon Valley: both on America's frontier a generation after settlement, both run by tinkering 20-somethings with access to the most advanced tech of the day.

I've talked before about the tribe of maniacs phenomenon, and it was in full effect here. In fact, this is sort of a textbook example, and it's crazy how much it resembles Silicon Valley in its heyday. Both are on the frontiers of America, born a generation or two after it was settled, and during a time of really rapid population growth. Both had access to the most advanced technology at the time— silicon chips in the case of California, telegraphs in the case of Edison and his contemporaries. Both scenes were started and run by men in their 20s who were obsessed with tinkering
SPECIAL: Thomas Edison (Part 1) · Sep 2021 · 2:02 · BEN WILSON
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Take

Elon: I'm a bigger fan of Edison than Tesla because Edison shipped

Elon Musk says that despite naming his car company Tesla (for the AC induction motor), he is on balance a bigger fan of Edison, because Edison brought his inventions to market and made them accessible while Tesla didn't.

But on balance, I'm a bigger fan of Edison. Than Tesla, because Edison brought his stuff to market and made those inventions accessible to the world, whereas Tesla didn't really do that.
SPECIAL: Thomas Edison (Part 3) · Sep 2021 · 13:09 · ELON MUSK
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