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Xavier Helgesen

Serial entrepreneur who founded Better World Books and ZOLA Electric (off-grid solar in Africa), and now runs holding company Enduring Ventures.

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#105#105 with Avlok Kohli and Xavier Helgesen - Leading AngelList Ventures and Buying Businesses Like Berkshire HathawayAug 28, 2020#25#25 - Mission Driven: Bringing Solar Power to 1M People in AfricaNov 13, 2019

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In the moments

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Number

Better World Books: from $35 to $70M in revenue, bootstrapped

Xavier Helgesen bootstrapped Better World Books from $35 of starting capital, run out of the back of a community center, to $70 million in revenue.

$70M
Better World Books revenue · USD/year
bootstrapped Better World Books, um, from $0 in the back of a community center to, um, $70 million in revenue. Um, our initial capital was $35
EP 105 · 57:50 · XAVIER HELGESEN
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Framework

The 'get rich slow' arbitrage: nobody's willing to do it

Xavier's thesis for his long-term holding company: the fundamental arbitrage is that, per Buffett, nobody wants to get rich slow — so compounding by buying and holding profitable businesses is an under-exploited path because so few people have the patience for it.

I want to have a long-term holding company because that's the fundamental arbitrage. Buffett says nobody wants to get rich slow. That's why nobody's done what— and so I feel bad like I've already— I'm in my early 40s, so I got to start my compounding career now.

Steal thisCompound by buying and holding boring profitable businesses for decades — the edge is patience, because almost no one will take the slow path.

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Framework

When buying a business, the action is all in the gross margin line

Xavier's diligence rule: ignore revenue and go straight to the gross margin dollars, then check for embedded costs like AWS hosting or expensive SaaS contracts. That tells you how much money you actually have to play with to make a profit or pay employees.

You got to just look at the gross margin line. Like that's where all the action is. And then you got to understand, are there any embedded costs like Amazon Web Services hosting or other expensive SaaS contracts or products? So to me, it's like, OK, what is the gross margin dollars that you have to play with to either make a profit, pay employees, or lose money, right?

Steal thisWhen evaluating an acquisition, look at gross-margin dollars first, not revenue — then subtract embedded hosting and SaaS costs to see the real money to work with.

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UpCounsel's moat: 1M high-intent legal page views a month from SEO

Xavier valued UpCounsel for its durable assets: roughly a million high-intent legal page views a month from organic SEO, with the site ranking #1 for terms like 'Safe Note,' over 10,000 ranked content pages, a solid codebase, and a huge email list.

$1M
UpCounsel organic page views · views/month
And so in this case, we had an amazing organic SEO. So Mason's one of the best SEO guys in the Valley, and so we had a million high-intent legal page views coming to us every month that, like, if you Google Safe Note, UpCouncil's number one, and it's like in the snippet box
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Story

Negotiating up from zero: the Founder's Code on a $26M liquidation stack

UpCounsel had already announced shutdown with $26 million in liquidation preferences, meaning the VCs could legally take everything and leave founders with nothing. Xavier paid less than $26M but wrote a contingency voiding the deal if the VCs took the money — abiding by a 'Founder's Code' of not wiping out founders.

And so, that's— we made a contingency in our offer that our offer would be void if the venture capitalists just took the money. Because we were, you know, if you just read the legal docs, literally, they could take the money, they could, they have a liquidation preference, right? So there were $26 million liquidation preferences on the company. And I can tell you that we paid less than that.
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Story

Buying UpCounsel attracted more investment than the purchase price

Xavier says new investors found Enduring Ventures over the internet purely because the UpCounsel acquisition looked cool — and the money those investors put into Enduring exceeded what Enduring paid to buy UpCounsel in the first place.

We actually had new investors who we never would have met before come to us over the internet because they saw we bought Upcounsel and they thought that was so cool. And the amount they've invested in Durin Ventures is actually greater than the amount that we invested to buy the company.

Steal thisMake your acquisitions public and interesting — a visibly cool deal can pull in more new investor capital than the deal itself cost.

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Framework

Local monopolies: the best barbecue joint in Topeka is a real moat

Xavier's favorite category is local monopolies and oligopolies — the best barbecue place or best air-conditioner servicing company in a town has real monopoly characteristics because it's expensive and unattractive for a competitor to enter, and demand can't be arbitraged across towns. A sterling online reputation often shows up as surprising profitability.

Well, turns out that being the best best barbecue joint in Topeka, Kansas, that can be a local monopoly, believe it or not, because it has the same characteristics of a real monopoly, maybe not quite as much protection, but everybody knows you, so it's expensive and unattractive for a competitor to set up shop because you're already well established, you have the best product or the best service in a constrained area.

Steal thisHunt for the highest-rated local service business in a town — strong online reputation plus a constrained market often equals a quiet, highly profitable local monopoly.

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Digital businesses almost always have one single point of failure

Xavier relays his friend Devin's rule: a digital business almost always has one single point of failure that a physical one doesn't — 90% of customers from Instagram ads, or 90% of monetization from one affiliate. Without a moat like organic SEO, a big email list, or recurring revenue, the business is fragile to internet-land's constant change.

he says there's almost always one single point of failure in a digital business, which is rarely true in a physical one, right? So you might get 90% of your customers from Instagram ads, right? And so when those get more crowded, then the Instagram ads don't work anymore, right? Or you might get 90% of your monetization from one affiliate, and then they change their rates.

Steal thisBefore buying a digital business, find its single point of failure — one ad channel or one affiliate — and discount hard unless it has an SEO, email-list, or recurring-revenue moat.

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Fact

SPACs are an arbitrage on overpriced public equity

Xavier explains the SPAC arbitrage: public markets trade near 20x earnings (a ~5% yield) while a small business sells for ~4x earnings (25% yield) and a middle-market one for ~8x (12%). You use cheap public equity dollars to acquire a business that couldn't easily go public on its own.

So they're priced at about 20 times earnings, right? So that means essentially, if I'm buying the stock of a company, and I'm expecting it to be just the same, I'm yielding 5% on that, right? Whereas a small business can typically be acquired for maybe 4 times earnings, and maybe a middle market business for like 8 times earnings, right? And so, you know, at 4 times earnings, I'm earning 25% on every dollar of equity
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Number

Buy a $2M business throwing off $500K profit for $100K down via SBA

Xavier says acquisition entrepreneurship is fundamentally a financing exercise: you can buy a business for about $2 million that produces roughly $500,000 in annual profit for about $100,000 down, with an SBA loan paid back from half the profits — granting financial freedom if you don't mismanage it.

$100K
Down payment to acquire a $2M / $500K-profit business · USD
So you could buy a business for about $2 million that would produce roughly $500,000 in profits a year. And you could probably buy that for $100,000 down. Half of those profits will go to paying back the SBA loan that you used to buy it.

Steal thisUse an SBA loan to buy a $2M business making $500K/yr for ~$100K down; service the loan from half the profits and keep the rest — just don't mismanage it to zero.

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Story

$300 of textbook orders overnight sparked Better World Books

A roommate plugged old textbook ISBNs into Half.com and came back the next day with $300 of orders. That accidental signal kicked off a scramble to collect and resell textbooks that became a $70M company.

And so he diligently went off, more diligently than me, and plugged in all the ISBN numbers and came back the next day and was like, "Dude, I just got $300 of orders for these random textbooks that the bookstore wasn't buying." And so we were like, "Whoa, that's something."
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Tactic

The 'aha': don't buy inventory, get it donated via book drives

Lacking capital to buy textbooks, Helgesen's insight was to run book drives so people would donate their books for free, solving the inventory-sourcing problem without money.

And the aha was like, I wonder if people would just give their books. Like, I wonder if we just ran book drive, if people would just give their books, you know, this kind of made sense.

Steal thisWhen you can't afford inventory, design a model where customers or donors supply it for free in exchange for goodwill.

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Story

He thought $500K would be a 'shocking' ceiling. It hit $70M

Xavier Helgesen recalls that even after committing to Better World Books, he believed the absolute maximum the used-book business could ever do was $500,000 in revenue. It grew to $70 million.

I mean, if you had asked me, even after my buddy had said, yeah, we really got to do this, what the biggest this business could possibly be, what the absolute maximum, I'd be like, if this thing could do $500,000 in revenue, like, that would be shocking to me.
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Take

You can't run a book drive without a credible nonprofit partner

Helgesen explains that people are more skeptical when asked to give something for free, so pairing with a credible literacy nonprofit was essential to make donors trust the book drive.

You can't run a book drive without a credible nonprofit as a partner because people will say, well, aren't you just going to take the books and sell them for cash and go surf? Right? People aren't dumb. And if anything, they're more skeptical when they're asked for something for free.

Steal thisWhen asking people to give you something for free, borrow trust from a credible partner so the ask doesn't read as a hustle.

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$10K-$50K of books per campus for a tank of gas and 50 boxes

Better World Books worked on a unit-economics level: each college campus yielded books worth $10,000 to $50,000, against a total cost of roughly a tank of gas and 50 cardboard boxes.

$50K
Book inventory value collected per college campus · USD
So every college campus we would go to, as long as we did a somewhat decent job, we would collect books valued somewhere between $10,000 and $50,000 that we could sell online. And our total cost into that was like a tank of gas and like 50 cardboard boxes, right?
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Framework

You don't need 100% of the market to beat Amazon at books

Helgesen argues you can compete with Amazon by targeting a niche; capturing just 0.1%-1% of the huge book market is enough. Better World wins value-conscious shoppers by being cheaper end-to-end and keeps more margin because it owns proprietary inventory sources.

and that the way betterworldbooks.com competes is it doesn't have to take 100% of the book market. The book market's actually pretty huge. You know, it can be very happy with between 0.1% and 1% of the book market around the world.

Steal thisAgainst a giant, pick a sliver of a massive market and win on a single dimension (price, value) instead of trying to take the whole thing.

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Number

35M books in, 10M sold a year — a Barnes & Noble every 24 hours

Better World Books intakes about 35 million books a year and sells roughly 10 million, ingesting the equivalent of a full Barnes & Noble's worth of books every single day.

$35M
Books intaken per year · books/year
So Betterworld takes in about 35 million books a year, sells about 10 million roughly, and does this. And you know, that's about a Barnes Noble worth of books every day.
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Fact

In Nigeria there are more diesel generators than people

Helgesen describes Nigeria — Africa's largest economy at 200M people — as having more diesel generators than people, with grid power typically on 8 hours and off 16 hours per day.

So there's more diesel generators there than people. The average power situation is power's on 8 hours, off 16 hours.
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Electricity demand grows ~2x GDP, forcing infra rebuilds every 5 years

Helgesen notes electrical demand grows at roughly double GDP, so African countries growing 6-7% see double-digit electricity demand growth — meaning transformers and substations must be torn out and replaced every few years.

And basically what happens is, is electrical demand grows about double GDP, roughly. And so a lot of African countries are growing at 6 or 7% GDP, which means electrical demand's growing double digits, right? You've got to basically replace all your infrastructure every 5 years or so to grow an electrical system at that rate, right?
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Tactic

Market '24-hour power' as '26 hours' — give 2 hours free

Zola markets reliable solar-battery power as '24-hour power.' Helgesen's marketing tip: frame it as 26 hours and give the customer 2 hours 'for free' as a goodwill bonus.

Yeah, 26 hours a day. Exactly. We give you 2, we get a tip, we give you 2 for free. And that's actually a good marketing tip.

Steal thisReframe a baseline deliverable as 'more than 100%' and gift the surplus to make the offer feel generous.

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Off-grid mom spent $30/mo on kerosene for a single nightlight

A new mother Helgesen interviewed was spending about $30 a month on kerosene just to fuel one nightlight oil lamp — power a $5, book-sized solar panel could replace at 10x the brightness for the same monthly cost.

$30
Monthly kerosene spend for one nightlight · USD/month
She was spending probably $30 a month on kerosene, which is jet fuel, just to fuel this little oil lamp. And like with a 5-watt solar panel, 5 watts is so tiny. It's like the size of a hardcover book. You can generate enough power to light that house 10 times brighter than what she was getting from that, from that oil lamp.
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Off-grid mom spent $30/mo on kerosene for a single nightlight

A new mother Helgesen interviewed was spending about $30 a month on kerosene just to fuel one nightlight oil lamp — power a $5, book-sized solar panel could replace at 10x the brightness for the same monthly cost.

$30
Monthly kerosene spend for one nightlight · USD/month
She was spending probably $30 a month on kerosene, which is jet fuel, just to fuel this little oil lamp. And like with a 5-watt solar panel, 5 watts is so tiny. It's like the size of a hardcover book. You can generate enough power to light that house 10 times brighter than what she was getting from that, from that oil lamp.
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Framework

Bake the mission so deep you can't remove it without breaking the business

Helgesen's test for impact businesses: the mission shouldn't be a nice-to-have. At Better World Books it was so baked into the model that removing it would forfeit the nonprofit partnerships that supply all the inventory.

I think Better World did this better than most, actually, where it was so baked into the business model that the mission, you couldn't take it out. You would actually lose, in that case of that business, you'd lose all the partnerships that generate all the inventory that the business sells.

Steal thisDesign a social-impact business so the mission is structurally load-bearing — remove it and the economic engine stops working.

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Framework

Bake the mission so deep you can't remove it without breaking the business

Helgesen's test for impact businesses: the mission shouldn't be a nice-to-have. At Better World Books it was so baked into the model that removing it would forfeit the nonprofit partnerships that supply all the inventory.

I think Better World did this better than most, actually, where it was so baked into the business model that the mission, you couldn't take it out. You would actually lose, in that case of that business, you'd lose all the partnerships that generate all the inventory that the business sells.

Steal thisDesign a social-impact business so the mission is structurally load-bearing — remove it and the economic engine stops working.

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Prediction
Pending

Batteries will eat the world: nearly every home & business by 2039

Helgesen predicts that within 20 years almost every home and business in the developed and developing world will have a battery — an EV or a stationary home battery — driven by both grid economics and reliability needs.

And so So one of my views is that batteries are gonna eat the world, just of all sizes. That if you look 20 years in the future, almost every home, almost every business in the developed and developing world will have batteries in it.
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