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Syed Balkhi

Founder and CEO of Awesome Motive, who started WPBeginner and built WordPress software (WPForms, OptinMonster) used by 30M+ sites.

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#5533 Genius Business Ideas We're 'Borrowing' From Syed BalkhiFeb 21, 2024#486Syed Balkhi: How He Went From $0 To +$100M Before Age 30Aug 17, 2023

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Idea

Productized service + offshore talent + white-label reseller model

Syed Balkhi's playbook: take a high-TAM services market (e.g. bookkeeping), turn it into a productized service delivered by vetted offshore talent, then sell it white-label so other businesses resell it as their own add-on revenue.

I think that there's a large opportunity here where you take a market where TAM is really high, especially a services market, and then you turn it into a productized service, you offshore the talent, and then you add like a reseller or a white label model. I think the, the one that I was looking at was bookkeeping, and I think the, the TAM there is so, so large.

Steal thisPick a huge services market, productize it with vetted offshore talent, and let other businesses white-label it for add-on revenue.

EP 553 · 4:44 · SYED BALKHI
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Tactic

White-label your service through partners who already own the customer

Instead of a traditional affiliate model, let web hosts or CPA firms white-label your offshore team so they offer add-on services to existing customers; they set the markup and you collect on the backend without building their team.

So anybody who comes to WPBeginner can get a website done and so on. But you can do the same exact thing in every space. So let's say bookkeeping. I can go to all the smaller CPA firms that don't have the economics to build on their own bookkeeping. And just say, why don't you just white label my services? And this is like, you know, now Joe's CPA bookkeeping. You're getting all the clients, you charge whatever markup you want, you're paying me X.

Steal thisSell your productized service white-label to partners who already own the customer relationship.

EP 553 · 6:51 · SYED BALKHI
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Idea

Roll up sticky QuickBooks and Xero apps, then cross-sell across ecosystems

Syed Balkhi's idea: acquire multiple profitable apps inside the very sticky QuickBooks and Xero accounting ecosystems, port them across platforms so you keep customers who switch, and tie multiple ecosystems together to cross-sell.

The one that I'm excited about is QuickBooks and the Xero apps. So these accounting platforms are very, very sticky. I missed a deal here. It was a really, really good business. They were doing like $3 million in revenue, extremely profitable. And I believe there's a lot of value in someone acquiring multiple one of these QuickBooks apps or Xero apps, or maybe QuickBooks apps and then you port it over to Xero and, and so on. And then you cross-sell.

Steal thisBuy several profitable apps in a sticky platform's app store, port across ecosystems, and cross-sell to compound value.

EP 553 · 12:43 · SYED BALKHI
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Idea

Buy five $2M app-store apps to instantly build a $10M ARR business

Syed Balkhi's math: in a platform app store like QuickBooks, acquire five apps each doing $2M at a 5x exit multiple and you've built a $10M ARR business that you can grow further with cross-selling.

if you take a couple of apps that might be doing $3 million, $4 million, $2 million in that range and you exit by 5 and you buy 5 of those, $2 million doing $2 million, you just built a $10 million ARR business. That may not be cross-selling enough so you can unlock more value. They might be mismanaged gems.

Steal thisAcquire several mid-size app-store apps to assemble an eight-figure ARR business, then add cross-selling to unlock more value.

EP 553 · 16:23 · SYED BALKHI
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Tactic

Estimate an app's true user base from its review count

Syed Balkhi's method for sizing app-store markets: assume only ~3-4% of users leave a review, so an app with 100 reviews likely has ~2,500 users; count apps per category to gauge market size.

if only 3 or 4% of users are gonna leave a review, that's probably how many users that they actually have. So if somebody has like 100 reviews, that's only 4% of their user base potentially. Um, so you can, you can sort of make a hypothesis there and say, okay, this category or this keyword, uh, maybe it's receipt management or whatever it may be, um, has 20 apps and that's, that's how big the market size is for a receipt app in QuickBooks.

Steal thisDivide an app's review count by ~4% to estimate its real user base before you buy or build.

EP 553 · 17:25 · SYED BALKHI
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Take

Disproportionate value to the customer makes a business stickier

Syed Balkhi argues you want value to be disproportionately in the consumer's favor; once a product can't be 10x better, it's the brand and the value delivered in active use that makes a business far stickier than a competitor charging more.

I think the value is disproportionately favored in, in, in for the consumer. And that's what you want in a business, right? You want your users to have disproportional value. Coming from you, I think like if when you look at products and this happens when you're studying long term, then your product can't be 10x better in a specific space. It really becomes all about the brand and the value that you're delivering when customers are using your product like actively.
EP 553 · 28:19 · SYED BALKHI
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Take

$10M was more than enough for a good life

Asked his personal 'desired lifestyle' number, bootstrapped founder Syed Balkhi says $10M was more than enough for a good life; he has a simple life and keeps building because he enjoys it, not for fancier things.

I have a very simple life. I don't have these crazy desires of wearing the fanciest clothes or any of those things. For me, the $10 million number was more than enough. To have a good life. You know, I do what I do because I enjoy it. What would— I want to be productive member of society and this is fun for me.
EP 553 · 40:37 · SYED BALKHI
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Framework

Grow subscription via M&A instead of expensive PPC

Syed Balkhi's growth framework: a subscription business grows only three ways (new customers, expansion, reduced churn); when PPC/CAC is high in a competitive market, buy a business that already has your target customers and cross-sell instead of paying for ads.

when you think about growing a subscription business, there's only 3 ways to grow it. You get new customers, you expand existing customers, you reduce churn. And in the new customer bucket, most of the people are always looking at PPC, and especially a certain scale, you might be spending a lot of money in PPC.

Steal thisWhen CAC is high, treat acquisition of a customer-rich business as a growth channel and cross-sell to it.

EP 553 · 52:59 · SYED BALKHI
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Take

Not all juice has to be squeezed: compounding goodwill in deals

Syed Balkhi's negotiating philosophy: thinking long-term, leave a few percentage points on the table when buying from a founder to build a lasting relationship, because crushing the other side is bad for your reputation over time.

I think not all juice has to be squeezed if you think about value on a very long-term way. So part of the discipline is to say, okay, well, we don't have to squeeze all the juice today. You know, that's the whole point about compounding goodwill. You know, if I acquire something from a founder and let go of a few percentages because that helps me have a great long-term relationship with this person, that's a worthwhile decision.
EP 553 · 1:01:23 · SYED BALKHI
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Framework

Don't interrupt compounding unnecessarily

Balkhi once changed WPBeginner's color scheme and the audience rejected it, so he reverted and hasn't touched it since 2012. His rule, borrowed from Charlie Munger: if it's working, don't break it.

big companies don't really change their stuff because they know if it's working, don't, you know, break it. If it's not broke, don't fix it. Don't interrupt compounding unnecessarily, as Charlie Munger says.

Steal thisIf a brand asset or product is compounding, resist the urge to redesign it just because you're bored of it.

EP 486 · 14:30 · SYED BALKHI
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Framework

Buy an appreciating asset to fund a depreciating purchase

Balkhi's mentor justified luxury spending by buying real estate and using its income to cover the lease payment, so the principal never disappears. It also breaks the monthly-payment mindset and enforces discipline.

how I justify it is I buy something that's an appreciating asset like real estate, and I just use the income from that to off— pay my lease payment so my principal never disappears. And I was like, that's a good idea. Your principal continues to appreciate and you're using something, you know, the income from it to offset. And it also helps you stay disciplined because you're not going to go, you know, overspend your money

Steal thisBefore buying a depreciating luxury, buy a cash-flowing asset first and let its income cover the payment.

EP 486 · 22:11 · SYED BALKHI
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Tactic

Buy a cash-flow asset to cover your kid's costs forever

When his son was on the way, Balkhi bought a gas station netting $5-6K/month rather than budgeting for diapers and schooling, so the baby's costs are permanently covered no matter what happens to him.

what if I buy something that gives me at least 5 or 6 grand a month net, net, net? And then the baby costs are covered for. So like, you know, it's going to give me $60,000 to $70,000 a year. And now I don't have to think about it and my family is taken care of no matter what happens to me. So yeah, that's, that's, that's what I got for a baby shower.

Steal thisMatch a recurring life expense to a cash-flowing asset that covers it, instead of just budgeting from your income.

EP 486 · 24:44 · SYED BALKHI
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Story

$15K tool buy that prints $10K a month in pure profit

Balkhi bought a niche tool off Flippa for $15,000 upfront; it made $18K in month one and now clears over $10K/month with roughly $8-10/month in hosting costs and nobody touching it.

And I paid like one guy, I think like $15,000 upfront. And in the very first month it made me $18 grand. And now every month it makes me over $10 grand. Like, and it's pure profit. Nobody touches that tool, right? So I think about that just as good as a gas station. Because like my hosting cost for that tool is maybe like $8 a month.
EP 486 · 28:44 · SYED BALKHI
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Framework

Heads I win, tails I don't lose much

Balkhi's margin-of-safety rule from Mohnish Pabrai: buy a business worth $1M for $700K, so even if 40% goes wrong you barely lose. Invert the deal first and ask how you could die in it.

So a good example would be that if a business in your perspective, intrinsic value of it is $1 million and you end up paying $700,000 today. Heads, you know, you're gonna win if this business continues growing. Tails, you know, you, you still have so much of upside that, you know, 'cause you, you paid 300 grand less, 30% less than market value

Steal thisBuy well below intrinsic value so the downside is capped, then invert and map exactly how the deal could kill you before signing.

EP 486 · 32:42 · SYED BALKHI
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Framework

Buy mismanaged gems and unlock hidden revenue streams

Balkhi looks for businesses monetized from only one angle, buys them cheap on today's revenue, then layers in new revenue via existing partner and vendor contracts, turning near-zero-revenue businesses into $5-10M ones.

that only happens when you can identify a mismanaged gem. Okay. When somebody has a business and they might only be thinking about monetizing from one angle, they're not thinking about it from a full perspective. So I can look at it and say, well, yes, this is the current revenue today and I'm getting a bargain on today's revenue, But here are my contracts that I have with so many different partners and vendors and such that I'll be able to unlock extra revenue here, here, here, here, here.

Steal thisBuy single-revenue-stream businesses cheap, then bolt on the monetization angles the prior owner ignored.

EP 486 · 34:30 · SYED BALKHI
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Framework

Delegate but don't abdicate

Balkhi buys businesses from founders who delegated into abdication and let the company rot. The fix that turns them into mismanaged gems: restore accountability via EOS scorecards and centralized P&L monitoring.

Oftentimes when I've found, I've sometimes bought businesses from the founders who started delegating, but they really abdicated, and then the business went down, and then now they're like, they're really checked out. So now they're like, ah, this thing sucks. Now I'm back in the business and it's a mess. And they will come and exit to us. That's a mismanaged gem, by the way, because all what you gotta do is put back those accountability things

Steal thisHand off ownership of outcomes but keep scorecards and P&L visibility, so delegation never slides into abdication.

EP 486 · 42:12 · SYED BALKHI
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Idea

Start an AI-powered content or copywriting agency for cash flow

If starting over with nothing, Balkhi would build a content/copywriting agency powered by AI plus human review, cold-outreaching prospects with tools like Clay. AI cuts an article from ~4 hours to ~45 minutes.

Content agencies, copywriting agencies, all AI-powered plus human review. I would use like tools like clay.com. I'm not sure if you've seen clay.com, but it helps you automate your sales outreach. Dump a profile and it finds all the data on that person. You can write, you can use GPT to write emails to them and then just hit them up, right? Just cold outreach, cold outreach, cold outreach

Steal thisBuild an AI-plus-human content agency, automate cold outreach with Clay and GPT, over-deliver, then raise prices on word of mouth.

EP 486 · 43:57 · SYED BALKHI
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Framework

Buy revenue instead of building it: the Constellation lesson

From Mark Leonard's letters: organic growth, acquisitions, and 'initiatives' (new builds). Builds have higher risk and ~0% return for the first year, so as a capital allocator Balkhi shifted nearly all focus to buying guaranteed revenue.

And he was like, these turn out to be very expensive because it required more resources and time than you plan for. It takes away time of your senior people. And you're not even counting those things, so they're distracted. And he's like, you know, I'm a capital allocator. And from a pure capital allocation perspective, the return on invested capital isn't always great because builds have higher risk.

Steal thisTreat new product builds as the highest-risk use of capital; default to buying revenue you can cross-promote instead.

EP 486 · 46:13 · SYED BALKHI
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Story

Buffett's forgotten third partner Rick got margin-called to zero

Balkhi recounts the tale of a third partner just as smart as Buffett and Munger but in a hurry; over-levered with margin loans, the '73-'74 70% crash forced him to sell his Berkshire shares to Buffett at ~$40, now worth over half a million each.

Rick was just as smart as us, but he was in a hurry. So Like in the '70s, like '73, '74 downturn, what ended up happening was that Rick had margin loans. He was highly levered and the stock market went down 70%. So all those margin calls happened and he had to sell his Berkshire shares to Warren and Warren bought them for like $40 a piece, right? So now the same share is like half a million plus.
EP 486 · 54:17 · SYED BALKHI
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Idea

Vertical AI wrapper: 'ChatGPT for lawyers' on your own SOPs

Balkhi would build a vertical-focused AI wrapper (upload-your-PDF-to-a-chatbot) for niches like law or real estate, buildable in about a week. He says some kids are making $10K-$100K+/month on AI wrappers.

There are these AI wrappers, right? So you think like upload your PDF and we'll turn this into a ChatGPT. There's several of those out there right now. But you can make it vertical focused. That's what I would do. I'd be like ChatGPT for lawyers. Add all of your internal SOPs and now your team can just talk to it. Real estate internal processes, you can do this. My team built this internally in about a week

Steal thisWrap ChatGPT around one vertical's SOPs, hire an Upwork dev to build it in a week, and distribute via niche AI influencers.

EP 486 · 55:42 · SYED BALKHI
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Story

FOIA arbitrage: $100 for a grad list, six figures from one email

A guy used the Freedom of Information Act to request nursing-school graduate contact info from public universities for a ~$100 processing fee, then emailed them a student-loan-forgiveness affiliate offer, making six figures from a single email.

he would request student information from universities, so public universities, um, and he was targeting like nursing school graduates and so on. If you were coming out of nursing school, you know, he, he wanted your information, and schools have to give it to you, and you might pay them like a processing fee of like $100 or something like that, but you get the whole graduating class's name email address

Steal thisUse FOIA requests to pull public records (grad lists, government contracts) that become a cheap, targeted distribution or bidding edge.

EP 486 · 57:14 · SYED BALKHI
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Number

Envato: $300M lifetime sales, $94M revenue, $33M profit in 2017

Sam cites Envato, a marketplace for WordPress themes and plugins, as having grossed $300M in sales since 2008 and doing $94M revenue with ~$33M profit in 2017.

$94M
2017 revenue · USD/year
And Envato, all they are, they probably wouldn't like my oversimplification, but it's basically a marketplace for WordPress themes and plugins. And since 2008, this thing has grossed $300 million in sales. And in 2017, they did $94 million in revenue with something like $33 million in profit.
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