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Craig Fuller

Founder and CEO of freight-data company FreightWaves (and TransRisk/SONAR); previously founded fleet-payment firm TransCard.

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#596He Got Fired By His DAD… So He Built a $60M/yr EmpireJun 13, 2024

Key numbers

3 figures

In the moments

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Number

His father merged the family trucking firm into Knight-Swift for $800M

Fuller's father built what became the 5th-largest US trucking company, then merged it into Knight-Swift in the second-largest trucking merger in history; the ~$2.5B-revenue company sold for $800 million.

$800M
Sale price of family trucking company · USD
Yeah. He merged it into Knight-Swift, which is the largest— it was the second largest trucking merger in history. The company did about $2.5 billion when it sold for $800 million.
EP 596 · 4:16 · CRAIG FULLER
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Framework

Buy neglected niche magazines as the 'liberator' of dying brands

Craig Fuller's thesis: legacy print magazines are wildly undervalued because owners assume they're dying, yet they own decades-old enthusiast communities. Buyers can acquire the audience cheaply and reinvest where prior owners only cut costs.

And so what I found is that really these print magazines are completely undervalued, uh, that nobody will touch them because they view, have the same philosophy that I had about them dying. Yet they own these fantastically great communities and audiences that have been around for decades.

Steal thisHunt for assets everyone assumes are dying but that own a loyal community; the disbelief is your discount.

EP 596 · 9:17 · CRAIG FULLER
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Number

Flying Magazine was losing $7 per subscriber every year

When Fuller bought Flying, it took in only $8 per subscriber per year but cost $15 to serve, losing $7 per subscriber annually as far back as 2006.

$7
Loss per subscriber per year · USD/subscriber/year
The magazine was losing $7. So the magazine was taking in $8 per subscription, but it cost them $15 a month. It costs $8 a year. Was the net revenue.
EP 596 · 15:46 · CRAIG FULLER
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Tactic

Raise prices to purge 'freeloaders' and double subscription revenue

Fuller raised Flying's subscription price, dropping subscribers from 108,000 to 32,000, deliberately shedding freeloaders who didn't care. Real paid subscription revenue roughly doubled on a third of the subscriber count.

We bled it out, but that's okay. Like, we wanted to do that. We wanted to get rid of— and there was a lot of what we call freeloaders. They were essentially targeted for advertising purposes, uh, or they're the people— like, you may remember this, I didn't— when you were younger, is your, like, your school would have a fundraiser and you would bring home a form and your parents would sign, like, buy a magazine they didn't care about.

Steal thisPrice up hard to filter out audience members who don't care; a smaller, committed base can earn more.

EP 596 · 18:15 · CRAIG FULLER
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Number

1,500 acres bought at $2,400/acre that could subdivide for $50-60K/acre

Fuller bought 1,500 acres for about $3.6M ($2,400/acre). Subdivided in that community, an acre could go for $50,000 to $60,000, giving the land a strong floor value even if the resort failed.

$2K
Land purchase price per acre · USD/acre
Remember that land at 1,500 acres at $2,400 an acre has value. You can sell that land for something else. You can partition it out. You know, if you looked at that, at what an acre would go for in that community, $50,000 to $60,000 if it was subdivided.
EP 596 · 25:01 · CRAIG FULLER
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Story

He pre-validated a fly-in resort with one ad in his own magazine

To test demand for a fly-in community on 1,500 acres, Fuller ran a single ad in his own Flying Magazine, written as if addressed to his wife and emphasizing amenities over aviation. It drew 300+ inbound inquiries and signed reservations.

We shape, we vision-shaped it, and we didn't expect to get a lot of response. We had over 300 inbound inquiries on that one ad we took out in our own magazine, and, uh, we were able to get people to sign contracts to basically, uh, reserve their spot. And we knew then we had a winner.

Steal thisValidate a big capital project with a cheap demand test to your existing audience before you build anything.

EP 596 · 25:32 · CRAIG FULLER
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Story

He pre-validated a fly-in resort with one ad in his own magazine

To test demand for a fly-in community on 1,500 acres, Fuller ran a single ad in his own Flying Magazine, written as if addressed to his wife and emphasizing amenities over aviation. It drew 300+ inbound inquiries and signed reservations.

We shape, we vision-shaped it, and we didn't expect to get a lot of response. We had over 300 inbound inquiries on that one ad we took out in our own magazine, and, uh, we were able to get people to sign contracts to basically, uh, reserve their spot. And we knew then we had a winner.

Steal thisValidate a big capital project with a cheap demand test to your existing audience before you build anything.

EP 596 · 25:32 · CRAIG FULLER
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Framework

Asymmetric-risk acquisitions: lose 1x or make 3-10x

Fuller buys businesses for $500K-$1M with the view that the worst case is writing off that sum, while the upside is a 3x, 5x, or 10x return on a working thesis. He pairs this with cheap bank debt and 'more shots on goal'.

And we make acquisitions under the philosophy that it's asymmetric risk. It's like, let's say that we buy a business or buy a magazine, that's when we spend half a million dollars or a million dollars. And let's say it goes to zero. Let's say that we're completely wrong about our thesis. And the thing is just a dog, well, then we write off that half a million or million dollar investment. But if we're right and we get a 3 or 5 or 10x multiple on that business, that creates an enormous amount of value for us.

Steal thisCap your downside at a known write-off and size bets so a single 5-10x winner pays for many losers.

EP 596 · 28:59 · CRAIG FULLER
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Fact

Only ~25% of a magazine's cost actually reaches the reader

Fuller notes that in a magazine business, roughly 75% of operations (audience development, production, layout) is invisible infrastructure; only about 25% of the cost structure (editorial, photography) is value a customer experiences.

and here's the thing about magazines is that only 25% of the content or 25% of the operations of that business actually is value added to a customer. You have audience development, you have magazine production, you have layout. Like a customer doesn't experience that. They only about 25% of the cost structure is the editorial product or the photography.
EP 596 · 33:59 · CRAIG FULLER
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mfmindex.com№ 0596-2039
Framework

Sell advertisers intent, not impressions

Instead of selling raw circulation, Firecrown maps each reader to a buying journey (student pilot, aircraft buyer, owner) and uses digital intent data to reach the small slice of high-intent buyers, which lets them charge advertisers far more.

And what we've explained to the owners, the advertisers is, wouldn't you rather reach the 100 people that are going to buy them, buy your airplane versus the 100,000 people that, you know, 99% of those people are never going to buy any of your products. That's what we need to do is actually get into that intent data.

Steal thisReframe your ad pitch around the handful of in-market buyers, not total reach, and price on intent.

EP 596 · 38:46 · CRAIG FULLER
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Prediction
Pending

Fuller predicts Firecrown hits $1 billion in revenue by 2030

Starting in 2021 and at a $60M run rate in 2024, Fuller's stated goal is to reach $1 billion in revenue by 2030 via both organic growth and acquiring from a pool of 4,500 magazine publishers with no other exit.

I mean, here's the reality is there's 4,500 magazine publishers in there. And Sam, there's no exit for these guys.
EP 596 · 45:07 · CRAIG FULLER
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Prediction
Pending

Fuller predicts Firecrown hits $1 billion in revenue by 2030

Starting in 2021 and at a $60M run rate in 2024, Fuller's stated goal is to reach $1 billion in revenue by 2030 via both organic growth and acquiring from a pool of 4,500 magazine publishers with no other exit.

I mean, here's the reality is there's 4,500 magazine publishers in there. And Sam, there's no exit for these guys.
EP 596 · 45:07 · CRAIG FULLER
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Story

A $10,000 print-on-demand t-shirt shop he runs just for fun

Fuller bought Aero Swag, a print-on-demand t-shirt shop for pilots, for $10,000. It'll do about $100,000 this year, and he admits he over-invests his time on it purely because tinkering with it is a hobby he enjoys.

we have a business that I paid $10,000 for. It's called Aero Swag. It's an e-commerce business. It will do $100,000 this year. That is— I spend more time on that business proportionally than any other one just because I think it's cool. It's a print-on-demand t-shirt shop for pilots.
EP 596 · 52:06 · CRAIG FULLER
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Take

The best thing you can give a founder is an enemy

Fuller argues an enemy is rocket fuel for founders. When a rival CEO who told him he couldn't compete got fired and the company turned nice, Fuller lost motivation and wished the enemy back.

So I would say the best thing to give a founder is an enemy. So at FreightWays, I had a guy, he was a CEO of our largest competitor, and he really pissed me off because he told me I couldn't compete against them. He's like, I like to see you try one of our products. And I woke up every day thinking about him, but he got fired. And I tell you, the motivation, it wasn't as fun anymore because I needed him to be the guy.
EP 596 · 53:26 · CRAIG FULLER
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