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Bryan Johnson

Entrepreneur behind the Blueprint longevity project; founder of Kernel and Braintree.

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#388Bryan Johnson: How He Is Getting Biologically Younger, Selling His Company for $800 Million, and MoreNov 22, 2022

Key numbers

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Story

Bryan Johnson stumbled into payments selling processing door-to-door

Broke with a child and rejected from 60 jobs, Bryan Johnson took a 100%-commission door-to-door credit card processing gig and became the company's #1 salesperson part-time. That accident exposed him to the payments opportunity that became Braintree.

I was struggling to pay my bills. I had a child at the time and I would do anything for money. I applied for 60 jobs. Nobody even contemplated hiring me. And so I found this job to sell credit card processing services door to door. And so I agreed to do it. It was 100% commission, and I became the company's number one salesperson in a matter of months doing it part-time while building my startup.
EP 388 · 3:15 · BRYAN JOHNSON
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Story

Bryan Johnson stumbled into payments selling processing door-to-door

Broke with a child and rejected from 60 jobs, Bryan Johnson took a 100%-commission door-to-door credit card processing gig and became the company's #1 salesperson part-time. That accident exposed him to the payments opportunity that became Braintree.

I was struggling to pay my bills. I had a child at the time and I would do anything for money. I applied for 60 jobs. Nobody even contemplated hiring me. And so I found this job to sell credit card processing services door to door. And so I agreed to do it. It was 100% commission, and I became the company's number one salesperson in a matter of months doing it part-time while building my startup.
EP 388 · 3:15 · BRYAN JOHNSON
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Framework

System deconstruction: win by understanding the system, not perfecting tactics

Bryan Johnson's repeatable edge across businesses was walking into a new world, figuring out what is really going on, and reconfiguring it. In opaque payments, that meant simply being honest, transparent, and reliable where competitors profited from confusion.

it's not, doing high-pressure sales tactics, and it's not trying to manipulate somebody. It's not trying to perfect the skill. It's about getting in and figuring out the system, like what is really going on.

Steal thisIn any confusing market, deconstruct the system first, then win simply by being the honest, transparent, reliable option.

EP 388 · 7:09 · BRYAN JOHNSON
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Framework

System deconstruction: win by understanding the system, not perfecting tactics

Bryan Johnson's repeatable edge across businesses was walking into a new world, figuring out what is really going on, and reconfiguring it. In opaque payments, that meant simply being honest, transparent, and reliable where competitors profited from confusion.

it's not, doing high-pressure sales tactics, and it's not trying to manipulate somebody. It's not trying to perfect the skill. It's about getting in and figuring out the system, like what is really going on.

Steal thisIn any confusing market, deconstruct the system first, then win simply by being the honest, transparent, reliable option.

EP 388 · 7:09 · BRYAN JOHNSON
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Number

$59K/month in residuals after 11 months of door-to-door sales

Eleven months into selling credit card processing, Bryan Johnson's portfolio of customers was generating roughly $59,000 a month, a shock for someone raised debating whether to spend a $5 family date budget on a car wash.

$59K
Monthly revenue from his customer portfolio · USD/month
11 months. And I remember at the 11-month mark, my, my portfolio of customers were, uh, were generating, I think it was like $59,000 a month of revenue.
EP 388 · 11:34 · BRYAN JOHNSON
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Number

$59K/month in residuals after 11 months of door-to-door sales

Eleven months into selling credit card processing, Bryan Johnson's portfolio of customers was generating roughly $59,000 a month, a shock for someone raised debating whether to spend a $5 family date budget on a car wash.

$59K
Monthly revenue from his customer portfolio · USD/month
11 months. And I remember at the 11-month mark, my, my portfolio of customers were, uh, were generating, I think it was like $59,000 a month of revenue.
EP 388 · 11:34 · BRYAN JOHNSON
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Framework

Reject the first narrative; read history through biographies

Having read 100-200 biographies, Bryan Johnson treats the first narrative offered not as fact but as a wishful attempt to be understood and accepted. Biographies gave him a nuanced backdoor into events versus the compressed version taught in school.

And so it invites me to always reject the first narrative that's offered and understand it not for a factual statement, but for a wishful attempt to be understood, to be accepted.

Steal thisTreat any first explanation as a pitch, not a fact, and dig for the nuanced version underneath.

EP 388 · 13:53 · BRYAN JOHNSON
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Framework

Money buys time to solve problems, not frivolous things

Bryan Johnson's advice on wealth: money's real value is the time it creates to solve fundamental problems, not the things it lets you acquire. He pairs this with keeping an identity independent of the money so it doesn't define you.

It is most valuable for the time it creates, that you can solve problems with money. And so utilize it wisely, not on acquiring frivolous things, but on solving fundamental problems of time.

Steal thisSpend money to buy back time and solve real problems, not to acquire status objects.

EP 388 · 19:50 · BRYAN JOHNSON
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Take

For entrepreneurs, cash is king; avoid going illiquid

Reflecting on what he wishes he'd known after selling Braintree, Bryan Johnson says entrepreneurs should keep cash liquid because they'll always need capital to deploy. He hit moments in recent years where he desperately needed cash he didn't have liquid.

you are an entrepreneur, you're always going to be an entrepreneur, cash is king. Don't put your money in anything that's going to be illiquid. So there's been times in the past couple years where I desperately needed cash and I didn't have liquid levels that I wanted. Liquidity for entrepreneurs is really important.
EP 388 · 21:48 · BRYAN JOHNSON
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Idea

Kernel: a wearable that makes brain measurement as routine as a Fitbit

Bryan Johnson's company Kernel built a one-minute neuroimaging helmet that uses light to measure brain activity, aiming to make brain measurement ubiquitous the way wearables made heart rate and sleep tracking ubiquitous. Applications include detecting cognitive decline, anxiety, depression, and measuring ketamine's effects.

And so, at Kernel, what we've done is we've built a neuroimaging helmet, like you said, Sam. You just put it on your head. It takes 1 minute to set up. It uses light to measure the brain activity. And these brain activity patterns are extremely informative.

Steal thisTake a measurement that's stuck in clinics and make it a one-minute consumer device, then find the first killer application.

EP 388 · 27:39 · BRYAN JOHNSON
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Framework

Fire the worst version of yourself; let data, not your mind, decide

Bryan Johnson's Blueprint philosophy strips his conscious mind of authority over what he eats and hands it to data on his organs and biology. It started as 'firing Evening Bryan,' the version that overate every night at 7 PM and always had reasons why today was the exception.

Blueprint flips that and it says, my mind has zero authority, my body has 100% authority. So the measurement of my heart and liver and lungs and DNA methylation patterns, it directly asks for what it wants. Via data, and I can never override it.

Steal thisIdentify the recurring version of you that sabotages a goal, strip its decision rights, and replace its choices with a rule or data.

EP 388 · 38:52 · BRYAN JOHNSON
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Take

Willpower is a losing game against the food and algorithm casino

Bryan Johnson argues individuals can't beat the grocery store, advertising, and algorithms with willpower alone, losing 50% of the time or more when faced with option A vs B. The fix is a system that drives what you eat, not in-the-moment decision-making.

it's really understanding that trying to win this game with willpower is a losing game. If you put yourself in a situation where you have option A and option B, you're probably going to lose 50% of the time or more.
EP 388 · 44:23 · BRYAN JOHNSON
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Framework

Don't fly the plane solo: stop debating diets, just follow the data

Bryan Johnson compares DIY health to amateur piloting (70%+ of aviation incidents come from amateurs) and refuses to fly alone. The point of Blueprint isn't whether vegan beats carnivore; it's whether you can build an engineered, data-driven system, since data is the only thing that resolves endless tribal diet debates.

It doesn't do anyone any good to debate, is carnivore better than vegan? It's a meaningless conversation. Data is the only thing that matters.

Steal thisStop arguing inputs and instrument outcomes; let measured data settle debates that opinions never will.

EP 388 · 47:27 · BRYAN JOHNSON
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Framework

The 3-step behavior system: fire, set a firm boundary, then refine

Bryan Johnson's actionable playbook: (1) fire the worst version of yourself, (2) make one firm commitment to a system (for him, a hard 1,977-calorie daily cap he can never exceed), and (3) only then refine what and when you eat. The point is to stop relying on moment-by-moment willpower.

Step number 2 is make a firm commitment on one step towards the system. So for example, for me, that's calories. I eat 1,977 calories per day. That's it. Not anymore. And that is my absolute budget and I cannot go over it.

Steal thisReplace willpower with one non-negotiable numeric boundary, then optimize the details inside that boundary.

EP 388 · 53:20 · BRYAN JOHNSON
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Framework

The 3-step behavior system: fire, set a firm boundary, then refine

Bryan Johnson's actionable playbook: (1) fire the worst version of yourself, (2) make one firm commitment to a system (for him, a hard 1,977-calorie daily cap he can never exceed), and (3) only then refine what and when you eat. The point is to stop relying on moment-by-moment willpower.

Step number 2 is make a firm commitment on one step towards the system. So for example, for me, that's calories. I eat 1,977 calories per day. That's it. Not anymore. And that is my absolute budget and I cannot go over it.

Steal thisReplace willpower with one non-negotiable numeric boundary, then optimize the details inside that boundary.

EP 388 · 53:20 · BRYAN JOHNSON
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Tactic

Judge a manager by what employees tell their spouse, not you

Bryan Johnson says you can't get someone's real opinion of you directly, so the truth comes out when employees talk to their significant others at home. He cared less what his Braintree team thought to his face and more what they said as the 'truth serum' kicked in at home.

I only cared to learn what their significant others thought because it's very hard to get someone's real opinion of you because it's difficult for someone to be honest. But we all know when we go home from work and we're talking to our significant others, That's the truth serum in action, where we really say something.

Steal thisGauge your true reputation by what people say to their spouse at home, not what they tell you to your face.

EP 388 · 56:35 · BRYAN JOHNSON
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Number

Bryan Johnson ages 0.76 years per calendar year

Bryan Johnson claims his Blueprint protocol slows his rate of aging to 0.76, meaning he biologically ages only about 277 days for every 365-day year, effectively getting October through December 'for free.'

$0.76
Biological aging rate (years aged per calendar year) · years/year
So I'm currently aging at 0.76. So for every 365 days a year, I age 277. So I basically get like October, November, December for free.
EP 388 · 57:48 · BRYAN JOHNSON
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Number

Blueprint runs a hospital-grade clinic at home, ~$3K/month

Bryan Johnson built a mini hospital-grade clinic in his house with imaging gear like a medical-grade ultrasound machine, which is a big driver of Blueprint's expense; Sam notes the protocol costs roughly $3,000 a month.

$3K
Monthly cost of the Blueprint protocol · USD/month
we bought a medical-grade, hospital-grade ultrasound machine. And so part of this has just been buying the kind of equipment that allows us to do the stuff we're trying to do.
EP 388 · 1:06:58 · BRYAN JOHNSON
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