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Al Doan

Founder of the Missouri Star Quilt Company and investor at Rolling Fun.

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#354Al Doan: $100M+ Quilt Mogul Who Bought Two TownsAug 29, 2022

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Missouri Star Quilt: $100M+ revenue, 400+ employees

Al Doan's Missouri Star Quilt Company is the biggest quilting company in the world, with over 400 employees and more than $100 million in annual revenue, all bootstrapped from a single small-town shop.

$100M
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It's the biggest. It's the biggest. It's, let's see, we're 400-some employees, over $100 million in revenue. Like, it's a big old bull. It's a big old bull.
EP 354 · 0:21 · AL DOAN
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Idea

Don't be the 3,501st shop—become the destination town for your niche

With 3,500 quilt shops already in America, Doan realized one more wouldn't get noticed. Instead of opening a warehouse, he kept fulfillment in-store to create buzz and set out to own 'the town with the most quilt shops in the world' as a tourist novelty.

So 3,501 doesn't really pull the eyeballs in. And so I like, there's no ESPN for quilters, right? I can't just go advertise for this. And so I'm like, how are we going to get this? And so our, uh, like, we were in this little town, we, uh, we We grew big enough online that we had to like, like we couldn't fit all the inventory in our space or in our, in our store. And because like we could either go open a warehouse, which would have been the normal sane thing to do, or we were like, we're like, man, it's awesome.

Steal thisInstead of being one more anonymous shop in your category, build a physical destination that makes you the 'mecca' for the niche.

EP 354 · 3:08 · AL DOAN
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Story

Bootstrapping fabric: betting the farm every 3 months

Doan explains why a bootstrapped fabric company is brutal: you order fabric 6 months ahead, hold it for 9 months, must recover initial costs in 90 days, all while growing 200% a year. Get it wrong and you go under.

Well, we're bootstrapped, but like, dude, fabric, a fabric company is a hard thing to bootstrap because like, like fabric, you order your fabric 6 months before you get it. We're growing 200% a year. We got to hold the fabric for 9 months, recover your, your initial costs in the first 90 days. Right. So that you can cover terms and like, it's like a really complicated— we're betting the farm every 3 months, and like, if we're wrong, we go under.
EP 354 · 5:05 · AL DOAN
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Take

Be a lion among sheep: serve the 45-70 demo nobody builds for

Doan's customers are mostly 45-70 year old women, a demographic almost no startups build great experiences for. That neglect, he says, is exactly the opportunity—he feels like a lion among sheep building world-class experiences for them.

But like, man, it's, it's a 45 to 70 year old demographic is the majority of my customers.. And there are so few people building awesome experiences for them that I feel like a lion among sheep being in there just like, we're going to build amazing, great experiences for these people.

Steal thisTarget an older, underserved demographic where modern internet operators rarely compete and build them a great experience.

EP 354 · 8:31 · AL DOAN
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Tactic

Seeded an empty forum with fake personas until it was real

To solve the empty-forum cold-start problem, Doan and his buddy Dave each posed as multiple fake women members (Jeannie B, Sarah Sue, Carmen, Elizabeth) chatting all day. The forum now has roughly 90,000 real members.

So we started a forum and the first 6 months of the forum, because nobody wants to join an empty forum, I was Jeannie B and Sarah Sue, and my buddy Dave was Carmen and Elizabeth. And we just have these, like, chatting all day. Yes. What kind of quilt did you make? Oh, that's so cute. That's the brother. And eventually now it's like 90,000 members and, like, it's a great old thing.

Steal thisSeed an empty community yourself with believable activity so the first real members don't land on a ghost town.

EP 354 · 15:52 · AL DOAN
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Story

An 88-cent pricing typo revealed the loss-leader playbook

After 3 weeks without a sale, Doan accidentally priced a $2.88 charm pack at 88 cents. Even losing money on the item, the average order came to ~$28, proving that a deliberate loss leader could build the whole business.

We meant to price it at like $2.88, accidentally priced it at 88 cents. We sold like 11 of them, but, but shipping was $5, right? And so like our cost on it was $4 something. And so we're like, we still made money. Like this works. And the average order size was actually like $28. Like, dude, a loss leader. We should lose money on this in a meaningful way and we can build this.

Steal thisSell a deep loss leader to trigger an order, then make the money back on the larger basket it pulls along.

EP 354 · 19:35 · AL DOAN
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Tactic

Lead every email with a tutorial, hit a 70% open rate

Doan made his mom film weekly quilting tutorials and forced her to drop the insider lingo so total beginners could follow. Leading promo emails with the new tutorial drove a roughly 70% open rate.

And because we were making this content every week, we'd put it in our emails that we'd send out. And it was so like, we'd lead with that. It was like, we made this great new tutorial for you with all these cool tricks and tips and stuff. And, uh, and we, we'd ended up with like a 70% open rate on our promo emails, which is just the magic that we built around.

Steal thisLead promo emails with genuinely useful free content (a tutorial) instead of the offer to keep open rates sky-high.

EP 354 · 20:25 · AL DOAN
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Number

Revenue ramp: $100K → $1M → $4M → $8M → $14M

Doan lays out the first five years of Missouri Star's bootstrapped growth: $100K in year one, then $1M, $4M, $8M, and $14M.

$14M
Year-5 revenue (from $100K year 1) · USD/year
First year was $100,000. Then we did $1 million. Then we did $4 million. Then we did $8 million. And then we did $14 million.
EP 354 · 21:58 · AL DOAN
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Take

No MBA kids are coming to take a quilting company's margins

By pouring internet/tech sophistication into a sleepy category, Doan got an outsized advantage: unlike hot startup spaces, no fresh MBA grads are competing to compress his margins in quilting.

And like, it's given us a huge advantage as we've, as we built this stuff, because there's no other, like, dude, there's no kids coming out of their MBA school trying to take my margins.

Steal thisBring modern internet/tech sophistication into an unsexy niche where no smart competitors are fighting for the margin.

EP 354 · 26:54 · AL DOAN
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Resource

Read a hardship memoir, not a business book, to reset your problems

Doan stopped reading business books after 6-7 (same principles, different parables) and says his most impactful read was 'Coming Out of the Ice' by Victor Herman—an American imprisoned in Russia for decades—because it shrinks your own problems.

but for me, like, the most impactful was this one called Coming Out of the Ice by Victor Herman, which is this, uh, this dude that like, uh, went over to Russia and like ended up being an amazing Olympian athlete, but like Russia wanted to take credit for it. And he was like, no, I'm American. So they throw him in jail for like 50 years. And it's this crazy story that I'm like, this guy's an American hero, somebody should know this story. But it's, uh, like, dude, reading that while I felt like my life was so hard, it was like, oh Oh no, I'll be fine.
EP 354 · 29:05 · AL DOAN
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Idea

Every internet brand should build its own destination town

Doan argues every 'dumb internet brand' should own a town: pick a hobby (kid into baking, beer making) with no physical mecca in America, buy up cheap small-town buildings, and create an immersive multi-store experience families pay thousands to visit.

But my thing is like, is like every dumb internet brand should, should have one, right? Like, like a, a buddy of mine does, uh, well, this, this is my thought pattern here is like, is like if you're a 10-year-old girl and super into baking, where in America do I have to take you? Nowhere, right? But somebody, if they could just take that opportunity, they're grabbing— they're like, and we're gonna have Dutch ovens in this store just going and cooking stuff. And then the KitchenAid mixer— you come and have the experience. You're gonna come and spend 2 weeks here, try everything they've got, and you're gonna learn how to make all this cool stuff and then go home. And your mom's gonna be stoked to spend 3 grand to give you the experience because it's magic.

Steal thisPick a passionate hobby with no physical 'mecca,' buy cheap small-town real estate, and build the immersive destination people travel to and spend thousands at.

EP 354 · 32:09 · AL DOAN
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Framework

The town is the marketing; online is where the money is made

Missouri Star earns ~90% of revenue online and under 10% in-store, but ~98% of its marketing is about the town. The physical place is the brand story that makes the e-com business credible and impossible to confuse with a faceless Shopify reseller.

And our split, our split, like, we get 90% of our revenue is online, 10% in store, a little less than that, like 8% in store. But, but like, our marketing is 98% the town. Let me tell you the story about what— oh, Suzy Brighter Quilting, oh, look at this new display we did, oh, all this stuff. Right. And that's, that's the story that we tell. Uh, while most of our traffic or most of our revenue comes from online sales.

Steal thisBuild a physical place as your marketing engine and brand proof, even if nearly all your actual revenue comes online.

EP 354 · 37:32 · AL DOAN
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Take

After the win, run 'lemonade stand' businesses built to die

Post-success and money no longer a motivator, Doan wants to be like Da Vinci—design a bridge, then a helicopter, then paint a chapel. His plan: little 'lemonade stand' businesses he can pour creativity into and let die rather than grind out.

It's like, my therapist says, she's like, I think you want to be Da Vinci. You want to like design a bridge and then a helicopter and then go paint a chapel. And I'm like, yeah, I think that's what I want to do. I just like, I'm going to do little lemonade stand style businesses, just like little things that can't scale.
EP 354 · 39:19 · AL DOAN
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Story

Overshooting every life goal at once triggered a 'baby depression'

In a single year Doan stepped back from the company, got married, bought a house, and had his first kid—hitting every milestone he'd ever pictured. With money no longer a motivator and nothing left to reach for, he fell into what he calls a funky 'baby depression.'

In the same year, dude, I stepped back from my company. So the day-to-day work, I got married, I bought a house, and we got pregnant with our first kid. And I was like, every milestone I imagined I ever wanted to work for, And like, dude, when you're dating, it's very— it's a great reason to go to the gym. You're like, I gotta look good. And all of a sudden I'm married and I'm like, screw it. You don't care how many push-ups I can do. Like, I'm not going anywhere. And it was like, it was a full-on funky depression.
EP 354 · 40:36 · AL DOAN
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