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Sam Returns - The Boys Hang Out

Nov 07, 2023·34:00·Sam & Shaan·Listen·AppleSpotify
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SHAAN

Yeah, you text me something, you're like, Sean, you're, you're 7 out of 10 funny, you're 8 out of 10 charming. And I was like, this is a, this is a 7-part compliment I think I'm getting here.

CLIP

I feel like I could rule the world. I know I could be what I want to. I put my all in it like no days off. On the road, let's try.

SAM

I'm back.

SHAAN

You know, when Michael Jordan came back to the league, he just faxed in a one-pager with just those words on it. I'm back.

SAM

We have a lot in common, him and I.

SHAAN

Yeah, unfortunately when he came back, he was wearing number 45 and, uh, he kind of sucked that year and they got knocked out of the playoffs. So I'm hoping you're coming back a little stronger.

SAM

Us 6'7" Black guys, we have a lot in common, you know what I'm saying? Me and MJ. Um, did you miss me? It felt like a long time for me. I don't think it felt like a long time for you because you were pretty prolific. You kind of had a couple hits.

SHAAN

I did so many podcasts in the last 3 weeks. I definitely missed you because that was a lot of content. Uh, I don't know why I did that. I, what I should have done in retrospect was say, okay, Sam's out. Let's not force the issue. When he comes back, we'll come back strong. Instead, I overcompensated when you were out and I was like, no, I am going to create all the content the world needs tonight. And that's what I tried to do.

SAM

And also, um, we were working really hard ahead of time. I mean, I felt like I was recording a bunch ahead of time. So you've been kind of grinding now for about 5 weeks now, it feels like.

SHAAN

Yeah. The funny thing is we thought you were going to be out this month. So we have all these guest hosts planned for this month that your baby came early. And so now we have like a full month of guests, uh, coming up.

SAM

I can go away. I can go away again, but you did great. I will, we'll talk about some of the stuff I was doing, but you were doing great. So the Sarah Moore podcast was phenomenal. That woman is a superstar. Star. You did a very good job of getting some good stuff out of her. You also did a non-pod thing that I thought was some of your finest work, the, uh, All In podcast video, or the All In CEO application. If you haven't seen it, go to Sean's Twitter and you'll see it. It got 1.1 million views. I looked this morning. That was very good. And you did it all on your own. You even edited it, right?

SHAAN

Yeah, I didn't have an editor. Uh, and it was one of those ideas that, so, okay, I'll explain what it is. So the All In podcast, which is a popular business podcast, um, is they were like, oh, we're hiring a CEO. And it's the— it started by these 4 guys who were these super rich guys. I, I— the joke I make is the All In Pod is billionaires talking about billionaire shit, and our pod is millionaires talking about millionaire shit. And so the— they were like, we're hiring a CEO to turn this into a real brand and whatever. And so I, um, I was like, you know, it'd be funny if I I did like a joke application to this pod, to the, for the job. So I recorded this video. Problem is the video's good, but, uh, I only wrote at the very end that this was a joke and like not meant to be taken seriously. So people are texting my dad. They're like, hey, I heard Sean's gonna get the job for CEO All In. Congratulations. My dad's like, what's All In? What's a podcast?

SAM

And I'm like, and you're insulting them the whole time.

SHAAN

The funny thing, by the way, I told him, I go, My dad texted me that and I go, no, no, no, it's just a joke. And then he goes, okay, who started it? He thinks like someone's like messing with me.

SAM

I started it. But you were, you were like, you were ribbing on them. It was kind of a roast. Yeah, it was. So it's all fair because it was mostly funny stuff, but you were giving them a hard time. So that's pretty funny. And then a couple of them replied and be like, you've made it to the second round. So I actually thought they handled it well. Did they reach out to you at all?

SHAAN

No, they handled it well. Uh, they didn't reach out beyond just like the public replies or whatever. Um, and then they played it on the pod on their, they played the first 5 seconds or 10 seconds on their podcast. And, um, unfortunately that made it even worse because that's, that part is where it sounds like I'm serious about it. And then I start roasting them, but they cut off all the me roasting them and just put the part where it's, hey, I'm applying for this job. Which is actually the best roast back that they could have done.

SAM

I think our friend messaged us and said, uh, one of the great things about, or what did he say? He said, uh, a really powerful tool is to be able to take the popular narrative and blunt force your way into the conversation. And you did it perfectly.

SHAAN

You did a very good job talking about newsjacking. I think Ryan Holiday coined that term, or at least he popularized it, which is you take the current thing, but you find a way to attach yourself to it. You sort of hijack the news, newsjacking. And, uh, it's not— well, it wasn't my intent. I just wanted to try something funny. I, so I've been— I'll tell you, we do this podcast and I love this podcast, but also I told you I'm not like— I'm trying to not go start another company, right? Which is all I've ever done for 15, 16 years is go be like, I'm a startup CEO, I'm going to start a company. It's kind of my identity and I'm trying to shift that. Um, and I'm having a lot of fun creating content, but also It doesn't take that much time to produce this podcast. Like, takes some time for sure, but like when you're used to working, I don't know, 50, 60 hours a week, it does. I couldn't put 50, 60 hours a week into this. And again, the smart chill move would be to just take that energy and go be a better dad, go do some community service, and just, just better myself as a whole., but I'm a flawed human being. And so I need to direct that 50, 60 hours of energy into some creative work project. Um, and so I was like, I've been looking for way, like other content I can create, other content formats that are going to be fun. One of them was this idea of doing like something that's a little bit funnier. It's almost, uh, the, the thing I did was kind of like, you ever seen Last Week Tonight or The Daily Show? It's sort of like, yeah, I know that you've been loving Last Week Tonight.

SAM

I know you've been loving that style.

SHAAN

Yeah. So I tried to do that style, um, which by the way, very nerve-wracking. It's hard. It's one thing to be doing a podcast and crack a joke in the flow of a conversation. It's another to be like, in this video, I'm gonna be funny. I'm gonna tell jokes and make you laugh. And it's like, wait, is this like— within 10 minutes I was like, is this— is any of this funny? It's just— and I couldn't. Couldn't figure it out, bro. I was like, I was like, I don't know if this is good or this is going to be a total fucking lame thing to put out there. And that was a nice feeling. It was good to feel alive again.

SAM

Well, here's the good news. Twitter is not a very funny place, so even an 8 out of 10 can crush it.

SHAAN

Yeah. You text me something. You're like, Sean, you're, you're 7 out of 10 funny. You're 8 out of 10 charming. And I was like, this is a, this is a subpar compliment I think I'm getting here.

SAM

It was awesome. I thought it was good.

SHAAN

But you tell me, how's life as a dad? So you created a baby. Eh, you didn't really create it. You played a small role in creating this baby. Um, but the baby's here now. Life changed? Life the same? What's the situation?

SAM

It changed. Um, I think I talked to 30 friends. You were one of them. And I think the predominant answer was, you love— this is from a man— you love your baby, but you're not in love with your baby. And I only heard about 5 of the 30 people say, I was in love right away. And the, but predominantly people were saying, um, you know, it's, they're just like an alien at first and you don't really get feedback. That wasn't the case with me, man. I, I, I was, I was in right away. I've always been what I always say with animals and children. I'm softer than cream cheese. I've always been soft with, with those types of things. And I was in right away, baby. I, I loved it. It was awesome. We got a, um, first of all, we did a C-section, which is like magic. Um, the doctor was like, I'm starting now. And literally I timed it 4 minutes later, the baby was crying and out. And then the doctor's like, and now I'm putting your uterus back inside of you. And like, it's crazy, man.

SHAAN

Like that's a line you used to use.

SAM

Uh, right. Yeah. Yeah. I was like, uh, Jakes, you owe me a Coke, doc.

SHAAN

Uh, Wait, were you in the room? You had told me you were going to be in the room.

SAM

I was in the room. And basically what they do is, you know, mom is laying like one direction and then they take the baby out and they bring her like 10 feet to the side of her. And I go and check on the baby. And I was like, don't look, don't look, don't look.

SHAAN

What was your angle? Like, were they like, I still saw it. Sam, you're like, why are you cleaning? Why are you cleaning all the glassware over there?

SAM

Yeah. I was like staring at my feet, trying not to look. And I, I definitely looked. It was pretty wild. Uh, it was gory. Um, another thing, it made me view women as wizards. Um, the fact that they could like have this being growing inside of them and then it like is out, it's just like, it gave me like almost a spiritual respect for my wife. It was, that was pretty magical. Um, it's almost like you view her as a partner and also as like a sex thing. Like, you know, like she's, she's sexualized to you after this. I'm like, You're a god. Like, there is, we, you know what I mean? Like, I can't imagine, like, you are not like just beautiful to me. You are like this, like spiritual being. So like the immense amount of respect. Another thing that happened, I remember thinking, um, the, so the week I went in, uh, or the week we had the baby, um, I think the stock market was like dying or something. I barely looked, but I remember thinking like the volume of love that I had for this new baby was so loud that every other problem was just Uh, silent. I just didn't care nearly as much. And so that was like a pretty breathtaking thing to have. Did you experience that?

SHAAN

Uh, some of those things you just described. So I would say, uh, the first 6 weeks after watching my wife, uh, give birth was like, I was like, um, you know, can I refill that for you? Um, what do you need? Let's just sit down and talk about your needs for a little bit. Like, How can I, the peasant pleb that I am compared to you, just make your life one ounce easier? And it lasted like only 6 weeks. I got to say, I reverted back to my normal self after that. But like for 6 weeks, the visceral feeling of watching that happen was— it made me just be like, okay, I'm— you're a miracle and I'm here to ease your life in any way that I can because you just did the hardest thing I've ever seen. Um, like, you know, I don't know what a C-section is like, but like, you know, my wife was doing all the pushing and all that stuff and it's just like a primal experience. No epidural, all that crap. And so, um, after that I was definitely like you, like you're saying, just in awe. And you see, you know, like a lot of people ask me when we got married, they're like, oh, you're married now. You know, is, how is life? Is it different with you guys? And I was like, no, we've been living together for 3 years. Like, literally nothing changed. And then, but the time something did change was after the baby, and not even because of the baby, more how, how I saw her just changed, you know. I like, I saw her perform, you know, an act of God. And so that was cool. Uh, so definitely felt that. Didn't feel the instant attachment, but, um, that's cool that you did. Did you do like skin to skin and all that? Was it like— oh yeah, is it like a pheromone thing? Like, tell me, is it like Is it chemical or was it philosophical? Like, did you, did you think it or did it just like feel like, were there just the chemicals in your brain going off? What was it?

SAM

I haven't worn a shirt in 2 weeks. I basically just, for me it was.

SHAAN

That's not what they mean when they say skin.

SAM

Yeah. I went and bought a bunch of beaters. I've only been wearing beaters basically for easy access. I did it just to keep the kid warm. I mean, I do it just to keep her warm and it feels nice touching her skin. It's just like, I just like touching her. I just, I, men are a little bit different. I've noticed, I watch a video on Instagram. It's like, oh, I'm just like playing with her face and like, just like rubbing her, rubbing her cheeks and like rubbing her chest and rubbing her back. I just like touching her. It just makes me feel good to touch her. And, uh, I think it keeps her warm.

SHAAN

Yeah. We, uh, you also said something like it makes the other problems seem small. Uh, that's definitely true, right? Because everything's relative in life. Like, you know, isn't it crazy? Like I saw a video the other day on TikTok. Made me so sad. It was this video. It wasn't meant to be a sad video. It was like, you know, these YouTubers that vlog their life. It was a guy vlogging his day, except he was in Peru and they lived in a hut with like dirt floor and his two kids. It was like he wakes up at 5 in the morning, he does his morning routine, which is he does pushups. He was basically doing like Andrew Huberman, but like, you know, the real shit, you know, like he's doing pushups on the dirt floor. He's outside in nature because His home is partially in nature and, uh, his kids were these two small kids, maybe like 3 and 5 years old. And they were like just warming themselves up with like the hot water in the morning. And then they were doing their schoolwork on the like cot that they were living on. I'll play this video. It like, it is sad and it's like heartwarming at the same time. It's this weird thing. And especially, you know, like my daughter's the same age as the kid in the video. And so like, You just see the difference in quality of life and it's kind of stunning. Um, and it's not the first time, right? Like I lived in Indonesia, you know, my family's from India. Like I've seen poverty before, but every time you see it, it's like, you know, just like re puts it back in the front of your brain rather than—

SAM

yeah, but was the guy happy?

SHAAN

He was super happy. And that's what I was— or like, he was happy. He was as happy as I am. And, um, I'm like, you know, this is like some obviously like college wisdom, but like, it really is just, we acclimate to whatever our circumstances are and we have this sort of like a baseline normal. But it is also, uh, everything is relative. And so it's relative to your expectations, it's relative to your neighbors, and it's relative to what you know and what you felt. And so for him, you know, whatever was happening that day would spike him up towards, you know, peak, peak happiness. And if something was, went wrong, it would go a little bit below. And so like, but the absolute, the absolute should have been, if you just look objectively, if an alien was watching, they would say, certainly this person is at least 10 times happier on an absolute basis. And it's like, no, not at all. We're actually probably exactly the same on an absolute basis. But one thing that does happen is if you have a kid, like your, your quote unquote problems from before are no longer problems, or like, you know, your kid has a runny nose and a cough and all of a sudden Who cares what's happening in Slack or whatever else? And I think that's one of the, it's one of the many blessings that kids will give you. The other, which you haven't experienced yet probably, is when you are talking, like when a kid is little, like maybe let's say a year and a half years old, uh, you're showing them things and you're like, look, like, oh my God, the water is dripping. Or like, look at this. I could take this eraser and I could erase the words. It's gone. It's magic. And like, in trying to make the kid, like, see the magic in the everyday things, like, you obviously are also there for the ride. And so you slow down and start to, like, even when you're kind of faking it for the kid, you are feeling the same wonder about all the little things. And that's like the other huge thing that kids, I think, do for you.

SAM

I'm excited for that. Another thing that I don't think people discussed enough, and I think it's probably because I hang out with a bunch of Peter Pans. So like most of my friends are between 30 and 40, have like some type of financial success and just like go to Spain when they want, are single. Can pronounce Tabitha. Yeah. Like a lot of my friends are like kind of selfish, you know? Um, not, not that that's wrong, but what wasn't discussed with me ahead of time was I feel like a fucking man. I feel so masculine having a kid. Like I feel like, um, I feel like it's the final piece of the puzzle and that I can continue putting the pieces together, but I have all of the pieces now. I didn't realize., how masculine it would make me feel. I think, um, I read somewhere that someone defined masculinity as producing excess resources to make sure that your tribe has what they need. And I was like, I get it.

SHAAN

I, and I, I know another, I think that the definition of masculinity is looking up and defining the word masculinity to like put, put some words to this. That's the most masculine thing I could think of.

SAM

Hey. I am what I am. Um, and then, uh, I remember thinking how hormonal, like I, like I remember like, uh, like I, two nights after or the first night home, I remember I just heard someone walking outside or something just in the street and I just like bolted up and I was, and I, and I was like ready to roll. And then it's also crazy how the woman, I was like, and the doctor, I'm like, so when is she going to start making milk? And like, she didn't have it like 2 hours ago. And they're like, oh, she's probably ready to roll like right now. And I was like, so you're telling me that you didn't have it. And then like an hour later you do? Like, and they're like, yeah, your body just knows. And it was just mind-boggling to me how primal and animalistic we are. Yet we try to avoid that. Totally.

SHAAN

Totally. It's miraculous.

SAM

Is that not crazy to you? Like, like where I was like, I was like, you guys, where's the threshold? Like, does she have to like do pushups? What do we got to do to like get this flowing?

SHAAN

Yeah. Is there a gummy we eat?

SAM

What is this? And they were like, oh, just give it a few hours.

SHAAN

Dude, I had so many of those, like, hang on, hang on, hang on, hang on moments with the nurses. And they were like, yeah. So I was like, like, this happened also during the delivery. I was like, okay. And they were like, yeah, you can like walk around. Like, you, you know, you could deliver the baby standing up. You could be on all fours.

SAM

You could, I was like, on all fours?

SHAAN

What are we talking about here? And they're like, yeah, actually it's an easier position, less painful. And I was like, Every movie or TV show, there's only one position that they show.

SAM

They can't show butthole on the camera.

SHAAN

So that's why I'm in the like second phase of the like labor process and I'm having to hang on, hold on. No way. No way moment. And they're like, dude, it's first of all, it's just not about you right now. You need to have learned. That's actually rule number one. Rule number two. Yes. All of these things that you don't understand, they're real and they happen.

SAM

Yeah. So that was crazy. And then maybe I'll say the last thing. I don't know how this has impacted your career, but let's talk about money for a minute. I have a feeling this is going to make me significantly better in my career because I think my hours will be more focused. I also think that as she grows, I'm going to want to show like, uh, consistency. Uh, so like a normal 9 to 5 or, um, it just to make an example of like, look, I, uh, I, I'm here to provide, I commit to what I say. I show up and get through things. I think it's going to actually make me more successful, even if I have less hours. Do you think that's going to be true?

SHAAN

I think it's true because you're telling yourself that. Yeah. Like, uh, you know, my, my grand theory of life is that our brain is basically a giant labeling machine and that the, my view of the world is that these, it's like a box is coming on the conveyor belt. That's just things happening in life. And then our brain puts the label on it and says, this means this. Oh, this guy drove in front of me. This means he's an asshole and he cut me off.

SAM

Versus, or like.

SHAAN

This means like something else completely. I could just completely make up a different definition. I could be focusing on the plants instead of that. And so our brain is this labeling machine and it's, that's what defines everything that happens in our life. And I think that for you, you're going to, you're saying, you know what this baby means in my life? It means that now I'm going to be more mature. I'm going to be wiser. I'm going to be more focused. I'm going to show her work ethic. I'm going to want to, um, be less erratic and I'm going to actually zen out or sort of chill out and be a stable rock type figure. So then you're going to do exactly that. It's a self-fulfilling thing, right? So yeah, I do think it will be that for you, but I don't think it's because of the baby. I think that's because you're putting a really strong empowering meaning on the baby. You did this, by the way, we should talk about, and I'm so sorry to hear about Sid, your dog, but I read your blog post and you said kind of a similar thing. Can you talk about that? Like you basically said like you were kind of in the fboy mode. You get this dog.

SAM

So if you follow me on social media, you know, I've got this huge dog or I had this huge dog. I've had him for 15 years almost. And he was my best friend. I love this animal. And basically when he was 3, maybe, or 2 years old, I got a DUI and I spent 24 hours in jail and I came home and he went to the bathroom in the house and I was I was so upset. I'm like, oh my God, this dog didn't know if I was going to come home. What if I was there for 3 days? This was miserable. I got to get my shit together. I have a responsibility. And so that was a turning point, was I was like, I have this responsibility. I have to take care of him. And it changed my life. And I remember thinking like, uh, it felt good. It felt good to care about something. And Some people, I guess I could say this now that I have kids, but people were insulted when I would say, I was like, yeah, having a dog, it's kind of like 5% of having a kid. And people are like, what? How dare you? And I'm like, now that I have a kid, I'm like, yeah, it was like 5% where like I had a thing that I cared for. It was the animals, obviously inherently probably less valuable, but also, uh, like less work. But I had this like inherent, I care for you and I want to, I want to make sure you have what you need. And that definitely, uh, changed me for the better. Leading up to the baby being born, I knew Sid was going to die soon. I even wrote like a fake obituary for him before he died so I can like enjoy my last 6 months with him. And my wife and I were like, we got to get him to, we got to get him to the birth. We got to do this. We need to just take this one picture and we need to just to complete the picture, or I needed to, of like going from like moron, idiot, fuckboy to like a family man and I've got my act together.

SHAAN

I was like, I need— you said something great. You said, uh, dogs for guys in their early 20s are like a special thing. Specifically, what did you mean?

SAM

Yeah, dog in your early 20s, because when men in their early 20s, when you're 21, you have— you're no longer a kid, so you have more responsibility and you are, uh you don't get a pass for doing dumb things, but you're still a dumb person. And oftentimes that means that you're going to grow. And when you grow, the friends that you have at 21 a lot of times aren't the same friends that you have at 31. But your dog in your 20s is the only one that has been there the whole time, and they've been giving you loyalty and love unconditionally. And so a man and their dog in the 20s, that's a very special dog.

SHAAN

They see the transformation.

SAM

They see the transformation, and they're the only ones. I mean, not all the people who you're friends with at 21, they knew college Sean, right? And you're still friends with them maybe, but they don't know what you've been doing lately. And then your wife and your friends now, they don't know what you were. And there's really only one, one being there every day in your house.

SHAAN

And like you said, unconditionally, they don't judge you either, but they, you know, and it's a powerful thing.

SAM

The point of my blog post was like, I never truly cared about legacy because I'm like, The feeling that I'm gonna have when I die is the feeling that I had before I was born, which is nothing. So why do I care? And this dog died. My, my buddy Sid died. And I remember thinking like, I did so much to please you and that impacted me, which maybe I've had a little bit of impact on some other people. And it was really because of my love for you. And, and so it changed my perspective on legacy. And what's crazy is we were due like right about now, uh, November 1st and he died. In October, so we had him for 10 days after birth. And I was like, I kind of like, it was a little spiritual where I'm like, oh my God, like the world worked. Like how on, how, like whatever 15 years is, however many days that is, that many days plus 10 days is what I got. Right. And so that was like a very meaningful impact for me. I posted that blog post. What's crazy to me is I felt like a pussy sharing that because I used to make fun of people who like cared about their dogs this much. And then I'm like, oh, I've totally become that.

SHAAN

If you ever— I mean, it might be too raw for you at the moment, but there's a great, um, uh, there's a guy who runs, or like, is the main host of SportsCenter, Scott Van Pelt, and he did a tribute to his dog, uh, when his dog passed on air on SportsCenter for like 3 minutes. He just talked, and, uh, you know, definitely gonna cry, you know, when you watch that. And, you know, that feeling is, uh I don't know anybody who has a dog that doesn't love their dog. I don't know anybody who loves, who loves their dog that wouldn't feel that way. So, you know, it is completely reasonable.

SAM

It, it was the first time I've cried in probably 13 years and I was like, oh my God. Like, so it was pretty wild. Um, but I'm happy it worked out and I have one bone to pick with you. I wish you would have told me to have a kid sooner. I wish you would have told me because you're, you're, I've always been like Mr. Cool Guy where you like, you withhold a little bit of emotion. Where you don't want to express how wonderful it is. And well, maybe you just don't feel that way, but I don't think that's true. But im— like within days of having her, I remember thinking there was no reason for me not to do this 4 years sooner because then I will have 4 years left because if I die at the same age, I would've had 4 additional years. I wish you would've told me to do it sooner. Uh, I wish that— that's one of my only regret. And not a lot of people talk about that. They always say, oh wait, you've got time. Man, it's pretty awesome. I wish I would've done it sooner.

SHAAN

Yeah, I, I think, uh, my, I, I guess my personal advice would still be the same. So kids are amazing, awesome. And so like so much fun. Um, like, you know, the fun gets baked into your day. You don't have to like go do anything. Like what you don't realize when you're in your like 20s or 30s or you're single or whatever is like to, you have to basically chase fun. It's like, I'm going to fucking Coachella, and then I'm going to this thing. I'm going to go hang out over here, and then we're going to— I'm going to learn this new skill, and I'm going to do all these things. And you look at people with kids and you're like, ah, suckers trapped in jail with their kids. And what they don't realize is you basically took all of the dope life experiences, you simplified them, and you get to just have them in your house all the time. And like, that's actually what's happening to those people you think are trapped with their kids. Um, but like, the people and their kids, you know, you don't want to be that obnoxious, condescending person with kids. It's just like Like my brother-in-law said this once and he's like, he's like, you know, the only real person that like we could talk real with each other. And he's like, um, your life doesn't have any meaning till you have kids. He's like, that's just how I feel. Okay. He's like, I know I'm not supposed to say that.

SAM

I know that's not— I'm going to gatekeep that from now on. When people say stuff like, oh, you don't know any better. Wait till you have kids.

SHAAN

You don't know any better. He said that not to me, but he was like, we were talking about somebody else. He's like, they just don't realize it. And they're going to keep talking themselves into how You know, blah, blah, like how their life is so awesome without kids. He's like, but my life— he's talking for himself. He's like, you know, I didn't have any meaning until this, and now I have, you know, uh, you know, my cup is full. Uh, the other thing I would say though is that the 4 years you're talking about, like, there— it is a one-way door, to use the Jeff Bezos decision-making framework. Once you have a kid, you can't un-have the kid really. And so you, you're gonna like your freedoms have changed fundamentally from this point forward. And so I think that the freedoms you have, like, you know, that age 26 to 31 or whatever, are pretty valuable. You should have them while you're there, um, and then go walk through that one-way door and like, you know, now you have a different set of joys, but you do have a different set of— a different degree of freedom. Uh, I think that's much more important than like You, you know, worrying about these, like, kind of my age is 76 to 80, you know, glad I had those 4 extra years. I don't think your brain, I don't think life actually works like that. I think you, it is good you had the freedom to do all the things you did and become the person you became. You know, it happened at the right time for you. I think you settled down.

SAM

Yeah. Um, but it's been 4 years ago.

SHAAN

What were you doing? You're living on 6th Street in, uh, in San Francisco. You're stressed out.

SAM

I was learning the difference between meth, crack, and heroin and, uh, like the different ways that what you put it in your body walking around Soma.

SHAAN

You're having a D.A.R.E. class without the D.A.R.E. officer in Soma, San Francisco, and, uh, you're stressed out building your company. You're making $37,000 a year. I don't think that was the right time to have the kid. I think my advice was good to say wait.

SAM

By the way, I know that you— why I, I understand this perspective of why people don't do it. I totally get it. A night nurse is a cheat code. Everyone keeps telling me— so those who don't know, a night nurse, it's basically this lady who is in this other room with the baby. When the baby cries every 3 hours, she goes and wakes up mom and says, all right, all right, heifer, it's time to feed. All right. Like, that's my— my wife was basically a cow for 3 months. Um, and she's like, hey, uh, whip the boob out, you're, you're good to go. And I sleep in a separate room. Um, and my sleep has been awesome. Women, I, I don't know if it's my wife, but I feel like a lot of women, they go through the, the waking up every 3 hours and they still have a pretty good day the next day. Maybe they're just running on adrenaline. But, uh, for me, uh, I cannot wake up every 3 hours and still be a functioning human being the next day.

SHAAN

You need a night nurse too.

SAM

I need a night nurse. I want someone to swaddle me. I would love to get swaddled.

SHAAN

Dude, I still sleep with my wife's pregnancy pillow because I'm like, this is incredible. This is the level of comfort that was available to me. Why is this only for pregnant women? Justice for non-pregnant women.

SAM

My knees haven't touched in bed for like the last, uh, 9 months. Like, dude, knees should not be touching.

SAM

Hey, I've been wearing nipple guards when I go running. So like, hey, I'm all about all the different, uh, pregnancy stuff. Um, But yeah, it's been awesome. I'm going to try and not be that guy that posts all this stuff on social media, but I might be. You don't post your children, do you?

SHAAN

Well, I don't even use Instagram and stuff, so I don't really.

SAM

But is it a rule that you don't do it?

SHAAN

No, no, no.

SAM

I just. You just haven't gotten around to it.

SHAAN

I don't like to post that type of stuff. I post like, I'll tweet random thoughts. Or I'll do a podcast. That's like what I like to put thoughts out there. Not necessarily like life pictures.

SAM

Well, I'm going to try also not to be that guy, but we'll see if, uh, we'll see if I can keep up with that.

SHAAN

All right. Well, this is the, uh, the catch-up episode. We'll just go ahead and publish this, even though it's totally different than a normal episode. Uh, it's us reconnecting, rebonding. Um, uh, you know, we needed a little skin to skin after what was only 2 weeks apart.

SAM

Yeah, hop that top, bro. Let me put my cheek, let me put my cheek to your chest, man. Warm my cheeks. All right, that's the part.

CLIP

I feel like I could rule the world. I know I could be what I want to. I put my all in it like no days off. On the road, let's travel, never looking back.