We Hosted A "Shark Tank" For Tech Startups | My First Million Demo Day

So basically we're gonna— it's like Shark Tank, but the viewers can invest. And I think, all right, so we're gonna have 6 startups. Each startup gets 2 minutes to pitch, and then we have up to 5 minutes to ask questions. And last time, I don't know if you remember this, Sean, but last time we— the companies that pitched ended up raising like millions and millions of dollars. All right. What up, Sean? Do you play video games?

Of course I play video games.

Do you really? Not as much as I used to. I don't really play at all, but, um, I mean, I just, I don't, I'm not like a gamer, but do you know what Xbox Cloud is? I didn't know what that was.

Uh, yeah, kind of. I don't, I'm in the PS, I'm in the PlayStation universe, so I don't really use Xbox Cloud, but it's like the cloud gaming thing for them.

Yeah. But basically I, I paid like a dollar to play Flight Sim. Do you know what Flight Sim is?

Yeah, of course. You probably love that thing.

It's awesome. I just started doing it and like, because me and Sarah are thinking about going to Korea and I'm like, well, let's just go like fly to Seoul right now and see what it's like. It like, you can fly around and I paid a dollar for it and I'm playing on my computer. It's so cool. I've never like been a video gamer, but it's awesome.

A video gamer? Just gamer.

Hello, fellow millennials. Yeah.

Wait, so do we not see these pictures? What's going on here?

So, um, I see a bunch of comments. I've got a screen over here. Do you have the comments set up?

Uh, okay, here we go.

And then, um, I believe Courtney or someone else is going to control it. So someone's going to come up and they're going to pitch for 2 minutes.

Okay, great. And are we— we're really investing money this time?

Maybe. I'm not doing it if it's— I'm only doing if it's good.

Well, yeah, only if it's good, of course. I'm not, uh, not gonna just throw money at something bad, but I'm ready. I got the checkbook out, so I'm ready today. I think $50,000, $100,000 would be awesome to deploy if there's a great startup in here, but we shall see. What's up? I can see the chat.

So let's give a background here. All right, so this thing, it's called stonks.com. It's like a live Shark Tank type of, uh, company. I'm an investor in it, so I have like, uh, I have some interest here, but Um, you're not an investor, right, Sean, of this company?

No, I'm just working for free right now.

Yes. I don't care if people use it or not, but I just had this, I just wanted to disclose that.

But so 6 companies describe the, describe the format. It's cool. There's basically a video screen where they pitch the investors. There's right now 250 people watching live, and then there's a live chat. So people in the audience and they could tag themselves as angel investor, founder, VC, just, I don't know. Normal, you know, muggle, and, uh, you, they can chat during the pitches. They can also express interest to invest, uh, which will let them like connect with that founder after the fact. So it's kind of like a way, it's a, a way to do angel investing no matter where you are in the world, making Shark Tank, you know, the default process for investing, which is pretty dope. And, uh, yeah, as Calvin says, no small boy stuff today. That's my only rule with these founders coming and pitching, coming and pitching. They, they always say, what's your advice? I say it's the same as always, no small boy stuff. All right.

So, so basically we're going to, it's like Shark Tank, but the viewers can invest. And I think, all right, so we're going to have 6 startups. Each startup gets 2 minutes to pitch, and then we have up to 5 minutes to ask questions. And last time, I don't know if you remember this, Sean, but last time we, the companies that pitched ended up raising like millions and millions of dollars. So it was, it was pretty interesting.

So let's see if we get that, uh, just another life change, just another day, just another life change as far as I'm concerned.

Well, cause we, so basically we're We're doing this live and then we're going to air on our YouTube and podcast, and I think people can still invest at that point. But so yeah, a lot of lives were changed, but let's check it out.

So let's—

we're gonna go, uh, the first one. Uh, Jesse, you're gonna, uh, bring it up. There you go.

2 minutes and then, uh, we do 5-minute Q&A.

Awesome. Hey guys, Luke from Cherry here. Hey Sam, hey Sean. Um, so Cherry is a, uh, exists to ensure accommodation businesses get more direct bookings and in turn giving consumers better travel deals. So online travel agencies today like Expedia, Booking.com, and Airbnb bring in around $250 billion in bookings, resulting around $35 billion in commission fees. An average property can sometimes pay up to 30% commission on those bookings. With the market power that these guys have, it's really hard for an individual property to get direct bookings, and that's where we've come in. Meet Cherry. Cherry is a free browser extension that gives you deals when searching for accommodations. You can find it right now at joincherry.com. So imagine that you're searching for a property, you're looking on Booking.com, you found one you liked, and bam, Cherry's going to pop up. It's going to show you a better deal for booking directly with the property, and on clicking 'Get Deal' will take you directly through to the property's direct website. We copy across the guests, the check-in, the checkout, and the promo code, allowing you to check out with ease. Now, Sam, imagine we did this with Marathon Ranch. On Airbnb, you could have Cherry popping up showing a deal directly to customers, allowing them to come through the direct guest booking engine on your own website. All of our properties have a dedicated backend allowing them to manage their deal daily, monthly, or seasonally. They've got full control. The current product works across desktop, and in the future months, we'll be launching all your favorite travel deals directly from your pocket on mobile. We're highly adaptable. We work across all accommodation providers like city hotels, resorts, vacation rentals, and the future-proofing of our product is across attractions, flights, and also car hire. Within 4 short months, we're approaching 1,000 partner properties in Australia, New Zealand, and Canada from all the major brands you might be aware of. And by November, we'll be launching to the US with an expected 20,000 partner properties. We're the team to get this done. We've got a mixture of great travel and tech experience and an integrated sounding advisory board across marketplaces, travel, and tech as well. So what do you say, should we get back to traveling?

Oh, nice little closing. Did you work on that today? Yeah, I did. That's good, good. I like that. This is really like Shark Tank. So what do you say, shall we fly through the skies? Um, all right, so Okay, so let's start off. Uh, Sam, give me your initial, initial thoughts.

I don't know this space that much, so my initial thoughts are I'm trying to figure out how this is different from just like Expedia with a Chrome plugin, or is that it? Is that like the dumbed-down version?

Yeah, we're essentially allowing, uh, properties to get more direct bookings by having it pop up on online travel agencies, sending them direct to the property's website so they're not having to pay the large commission fees.

There's a two-way incentive. So the, the buyer gets a little discount and then the hotel doesn't have to pay the referral fee to Expedia, right? Correct. Instead they pay a referral fee to you, presumably?

Yeah, we charge on a performance base and sometimes on a subscription base.

So are you cheaper than Expedia then?

Yeah, correct. So for us, we charge a performance fee of, uh, $10 a month and then we pay $0.79 a click. Whereas some of these properties are paying, you know, upwards of 30% commission on some of these bookings.

And the way it works is you have this, uh, Chrome plugin installed. I go to HiltonSydney.com or whatever it is, and it says, hey— or sorry, I go to Expedia, or I go to some other website where there's hotels listed, and it goes, hey, by the way, if you just click this little, uh— it's like Honey. So I like see like a little notification on my Chrome thing. It says, if you click that, you're actually going to save $10 if you just come straight to our website. Is that right?

Correct. So how do you get the, the Chrome extension users, right? That seems like the, the hard part. So how do you get them today? So as you said, you had 3,000 of them. So where do those 3,000 come from, and where do the next 10,000 or 30,000 come from, and how much does that cost you?

Yeah, so what we've done is we've been able to partner with the hotels that we're signing up, um, which has made it really easy for, from a customer acquisition point of view. So for instance, we're launching with around 300 new properties in Canada at the moment. And they're actually rolling it out to their loyalty base of around 2 million members, um, from an email point of view. And so we'll partner with them, and that's the engaging point of view that we're, we're going out with. And then we've got some paid media rolling out across YouTube and Reddit and those are the likes.

Sorry, so I don't understand. So why does the hotel care to tell its customers to install Cherry?

Yeah, so, so they're, they're almost sick of paying these large commission fees that they do to the online travel agencies. So for them to be able to bring their members, incentivize them to use the Cherry product while they're searching across all of the different online travel agencies, it's a benefit for them to then not have to pay those commissions every single time.

Do you think that— what, let's say that you're, you're, you're actually advising people not to invest in you because the travel industry is so hard. Like, what's like the honest truth that you would say? Because the travel industry, like, Performance marketing in the travel industry seems like the most cutthroat thing there is next to like, you know, ranking for like lawyer terms like mesothelioma lawsuit. You know what I mean? Like what else?

Definitely. Well, I guess the data that we've seen in travel over the last 4 months is that it's actually back and it's bigger than 2019 pre-pandemic levels that we saw. And not just that it's back from a volume perspective, but in terms of what people are spending is higher. So the average room rate of dollar value that people are spending is, is going higher. So yeah, I'm trying to tell you not to invest at this point, but from, from our regard, travel's back and bigger than ever.

So it seemed like Honey did a great job because they, they found a way to acquire users for cheap. And I think YouTubers and influencers were like one of the big strategies. It seems like you could do that with these like travel bloggers, travel tips, you know, flight deals, hotel deal type of type of bloggers, YouTubers, that sort of thing. Um, have you guys started doing that and what do you see? What's the— what is the— what does it cost you to get installed when you pay, right? Because I don't know, I'm not really buying this, uh, this idea that hotels are just going to keep spamming their, their customers to install your app. That just doesn't seem— just because they're so fed up with Expedia. I don't know, I don't really buy that.

Yep. Yeah, so when we first started, um, we were noticing $10, $12 of a of a CPA on, on Facebook and Instagram, and we realized that that was just not continually achievable. And so we switched and we pivoted very much into the Reddits and the Pinterests of the world, and we were able to get down to sort of that $2, $3 mark. Um, but YouTube is where we identified the big growth.

How much did you spend?

We were spending a few thousand dollars a month.

Yeah.

And then what do you— and what, what's, what's, what's a customer worth? So what do those customers generate for you, you know, in a year?

Yeah, so the customers aren't necessarily the generators for us. It's the, the properties paying the performance and the subscription fee, but the average saving for a customer could be up to, you know, $150 a year in, uh, in travel savings.

Gotcha. Okay, they're telling us we're at time. Uh, Luke, thank you. Thanks, guys. Yeah, maybe Sam will quickly debrief and then we'll move on to the next pitch.

So I'm out. I'm out. Not— it has nothing to do with him. It's just the industry. I'm just—

I, I—

it's not you, it's not me.

Yeah, yeah. So look, I'm one of the very few— so I, uh, there's this weird rule. I don't know if it's a law or it's a rule, but basically, have you ever heard about this where, um, like Expedia or some other company, they— there's this regulation that they have to display and like the same rate across all websites, if that rate is going to be publicly available. Have you ever heard of that?

No, but that makes sense.

That's, that's what I'm looking to do. So yeah, I'm out as well. Like the guy, like the name. But I think that Honey for travel, if it was going to be a thing, Honey would do it. And if it, um, you know, and I also think that the, and I think the reason they don't is because as a standalone thing, it's hard to acquire users for this because travel is infrequent and expensive.

There's a commenter in the chat room that says, my wife says she's out. I agree with, I agree with Ben Simpson's wife.

And in fact, I want to know what all of your wives feel. And if your wife's not around because she's not watching this at 10 AM on a Tuesday, um, You know your wife and you know your husband. So just tell us in the chat after every single pitch, is your wife or husband in or out based on what you know about them?

All right.

Next up. Yeah, I wanna know too. And also ask, ask them.

My wife is definitely out.

Yeah.

My wife is definitely out. Sarah, is Sarah out for you?

Yeah, she's not in. And if you wanna ask them what the, what your wife's opinion is on Sean and me as well as the startups, we're okay. We'll listen to that, but only if it's a good thing. Next up.

Hold on, look at this comment from Ollie. I keep my wife, my, my wife away from the show because you guys are too handsome.

Look, if I had a nickel for every time I heard that, you'd have like 15 cents.

I'd have 3 nickels.

Yeah, maybe 25 cents. Maybe we have a whole quarter. All right, uh, Pill Up is the next startup. What a name.

Yeah, hi guys, Pill Up!

I am Pill Up.

That's why I took the name Pill Up.

Cheers.

Okay, hi guys, I'm Ankur, co-founder of Pill Up, and I'm here to make you millions. Let's get started. So 56% of patients in India have poor medication adherence. And guess how many are chronic patients in India? 430 million. So that's a big problem and a huge opportunity for us. But what are the reasons behind this poor adherence? Number one, forgetfulness. People tend to forget to eat their medication due to old age, or they're just busy with the schedule. Second one is poor medication management. People take the wrong medicines at the wrong time. Double dose. It happens more often than you think. Financial constraints. The fourth one is personal beliefs. You know, some people in India believe if they start to take medicines, they have to take it for the lifetime. And the fifth one is unable to read doctor prescription. Presenting you the Pillup solution. We pre-sort your medication by time and date, personalized as per your prescription, but you will still forget to take medicines due to some reason. Right? Don't worry, we got you covered. We provide medication reminders on your preferred platform so you don't forget to take medicine. But in case you still do, your wife will remind you because we're gonna alert her after 1 hour of your medication time. And lastly, we convert this beautiful doodle art of the doctor into a pill planner, which is much easier to understand. We provide a one-stop solution to improve your medication adherence through the app, through pre-sorting pouches, and our dispenser. We are a team of engineers, analysts, and doctors. I'm a serial entrepreneur and a YC alumni. Dr. Manish has 19 years of experience. He is a cardiologist. And Akansha is the brains behind this whole business. To put things into perspective, even if you miss one day of medication in tuberculosis, you start again from day zero. Let this sink in.

Thank you.

Good job.

Thank you, Ankur. That was, that was awesome. Uh, let that sink in.

Thank you.

You started and ended with some major restaurant owner energy right there. Like, you came in, said, I'm here to make you millions, and you left with, let that sink in. Thank you. I've never, I've actually never seen that. And, uh, I don't know, I'm still a little shook. Sam, you take it away.

That was great. Uh, yeah, I think you did a good job. Are you, is this an Indian company? Is this in India? Yes. And you're like in down, you're in downtown India right now. I could hear the, I could hear the, uh, where are you at?

I'm in the capital, New Delhi.

Nice.

You, uh, you're wearing a Y Combinator shirt, make something people want. Is this a YC company?

No, my previous startup was a YC company.

And what was that?

So this was in winter '21. So me and my partner, we pivoted and had a different vision for where to take the company. So I started a new—

is this company basically PillPack for India?

Yeah, kind of, but the customer insights are a bit different. So PillPack was focused on medication management, pre-sorting so that people can stay back at home and spend more time time with their family, while our focus is on to increase the medication adherence issue, which is reminding people to take their medication, timely intervention, and to make their life more easier and convenient. So I would say 50 to 60% PillPack, but there's more to it.

And why doesn't PillPack focus on that? So is it that in India the problem is different, like the people's behavior is different, or why, why wouldn't you just do PillPack for India PillPack's been quite successful. Is India itself not enough of a differentiator from there?

No. So PillPack hasn't entered India because there has been a recent healthcare regulation change. So that makes it possible for India. The UHI change, similar to the UPI, if you're aware about the payments change that happened and changed the whole fintech industry. Similarly, the UHI change is happening in India. Moreover, due to COVID, The e-pharmacy have been booming in the last 3 years with the CAGR of 45%. And with the online payments, it has made possible to get this technology out there. Earlier in India, online ordering of medicine wasn't a concept.

You should change your shirt. Instead of "Make Something People Want," you should say, "Make Drugs People Take." And that'll be a head-turner. What, what is the, what's the traction like? I feel like you gave us the high-level problem and solution pretty well, but you didn't say much about traction.

So tell us. So we launched 2 months ago. Last month our traction was $1,300. We on an average get an order value of $200 from our customers per month. And we have a high, very high retention rate, but the, as the sample size is very small. You know, it doesn't make sense to say it is 90%.

Sure.

And how are you going to get customers?

So we have 3 channels. One is B2B. So today also we made a B2B partnership with old age homes with whom there are 20 to 30 clients staying in their old age homes. Second one is we are pushing out the product by introducing it to the doctors through our sales channel. And third, we will be starting our influencer programs next month once WhatsApp bot and all the technical side is on track.

And really important question. Is that Zero to One on your bookshelf? Yes. I'm in.

No.

Is that Settlers of Catan?

Oh, interesting. What are you, what have you been saying to American investors who say, dude, American healthcare is too complicated. I don't know anything about that, let alone another country that, you know, I may maybe don't even know that much about.

So I haven't reached out to the American, uh, you know, investors yet. So this is my first pitch. I just wanted you guys to be my, you know, my investors because I love My First Million and I've already received funding so that, you know, I can get into Y Combinator again and, you know, I have a clear path for the next 2 years. The funding is secured. And for the American investor, as I said, you know, I haven't reached out to them yet.

And you said that the e-pharmacies have been booming, and that's— I think that's very true. I looked at investing in an Indian, you know, e-pharmacy. Why don't they just do this, you know, as part of their offering where they're able to sort of—

So their focus is very different. So e-pharmacies right now have been working on 2 things. Out of the 15 problems we have identified. They are working on the delivery part. They want to do the delivery within 3 hours. There are 3 unicorns already in the space and the whole market right now is discount-led. No one is working on what happens post-delivery of medicines. So that's the space we want to work in and that's where we are finding a lot of interest from the people. And all our sales are mostly through word of mouth. So we are in the pre-launch phase. We just shared the product with 10 people and then, you know, we, they just shared further and now we have 250 people and next month we are doing a proper launch.

And, and you said you're raising $200,000 at a $4 million cap, is that right? Yeah. Okay. Okay, great. And they're telling me to try to—

$100,000.

Awesome. We're at time. We can, we can close it up. Thank you so much, Ankur. Thanks for coming on.

Thank you, Sean. Thank you, Sam.

Thanks.

Um, what do you think?

I like it. Uh, I'm in. I would invest in this at pre-seed. Now the, the, the questions I have, the things I would want to know is he mentioned that his last company, which was YC21, that's not very long ago, it did not, um, not a red flag, but something to ask about. Yeah, yeah, exactly. But you know, there is some red I see in the distance. I just don't know if it's a flag or like, you know, it could be a red flag sign. Yeah, we'll see. So why, why did him and his co-founder disagree? What went into that? How did they handle it? Um, so, you know, that seems kind of interesting. I'd I'd like to know a little bit more about that. And I'd also like to talk to some of the e-pharmacy people and be like, hey, why isn't there a PillPack for India? And just hear what they say.

Do you have— well, I guess you don't need an Indian-based person to like tell you that, but do you have like a, like someone who's somewhat of an expert on India healthcare?

Yeah, I know a guy who runs one of the big e-pharmacies there. And then just in general, you know, this is— I'm one DM away from getting that answer. So that would be the other contingency for me.

That's why I would pass is I don't have that. I, you know, I don't, I don't, I don't like, you could tell he could have told me anything about India's healthcare and I would have said, yeah. Okay, cool.

Yeah. Like, so India has now floated. It's next to China. You're like, oh man, that's cool.

Uh, yeah. So like he could have said anything and I just, I, it's really hard for me to, to, to know like what the truth is. Right. Um, so I don't know if I would do it. Also tell me what you think about this. Do you think that it's a good pitch or not to say we are PillPack of India, we are blank but for this country?

Yes.

Sometimes I'm like, yeah, okay, I'm okay with that. You don't have to, you don't have to like, you know, you don't have to sell something. He really should— don't piss on my back and tell me it's rain, just tell me what it is.

Do you feel partial towards Indian startups? Um, more so than a non— more so, yeah, more so than like I don't like a French startup or something.

Uh, yeah, kind of like, I think I know a little bit more about the market. I've been there, I've, you know, family there. I've now invested in a bunch of companies there. So it all just builds over time, but also it's a humongous market that has just had those like, uh, you know, what do you call those? Like inflection points or whatever. Basically a billion people all got mobile phones with internet in the last like couple years. And that just like, it's like before, it's a dramatic before and after.. And, um, so, you know, serving that market and building solutions for that market is really awesome. Like now it's a, it's a golden cohort of companies cuz they're all riding the back of this thing where one company basically gave away 4G internet, uh, essentially a dirt, dirt cheap cost, cheaper than in America. So a lot of people got online.

You know what's fucked up though, is that big company that was that, it was a big Pakistani company that like everyone was a fan of Air something. What, what was it called? Yeah.

Air Lift or something.

It's like a, like all you, I don't know if it was you, but a bunch of my friends were like, oh, this thing's, this thing's awesome. This thing's awesome. Awesome. And I remember thinking like, I don't know anything about Pakistan, but all my smart friends say this is a good idea. And I was like really interested in it. And I think I ended up passing, but it went out of business and whether it's good or bad, that impacts whether I want to invest in a foreign company because I don't like, it's like, oh, I don't know, man. I don't know anything about this country. So I have mixed feelings right now on investing in locations that I know nothing about.

Yeah. Well, sometimes that works though. It worked once for me. Um, all right. Steve, Campus Inc. Campus Inc. College laundry?

Close, close, close, close.

I don't know, like I got like a stain on my— or like a college tattoo parlor. I don't know.

Love it. I haven't gotten that joke before, but I appreciate it.

We'll let you tell us. Go ahead.

All right. Wow. Wow.

No small boy stuff.

No small boy stuff, dude. I see you put me— oh wow, do you have your own No Small Boy Stuff shirt?

Actually, I got a bone to pick with Sean or Sam. Sam, Sam, sorry, Sam. I designed you guys a merch platform. Here, check this out.

Oh, I remember, dude. Nice.

I remember.

Okay, let me— that is awesome. And I think I replied with, send me that shirt, I want it.

Well, I said, I said we could actually— the site is live right now. I bought the domain too.

What is it?

mfm pod.shop.

Okay, now let me tell you something. I wasn't trying to be an asshole to you. I'm just an asshole to everyone who sent—

well, that's why I'm helping Sean out with the Duke stuff.

So we— I get— I don't know about you, Sean, I bet he does, and even more so, I get like 5 or 10 of those a week of someone saying, I wanted to buy merch, so we just like made a store for you. And I just— I, I politely tell them to fuck off. And I think I— that's what I said to you, right?

Yeah, I forwarded that to Mark as well. That's why I didn't want to come on the pod.

No, I'm just kidding.

So now that we're friends I'll treat you nicer.

Yeah, you're crazy. We should do swag. Okay, but, uh, back to his business. Let's go back to his business. Okay, so, um, so I really like a bunch of things about this business, but I have some questions. Okay, so, so what do I like? I like that you're basically riding the wave of this regulatory change, the NIL change that just went into effect. And that means all the businesses that need to serve that market of college athletes finally being able to monetize their name and likeness, which is what NIL is about. That all those businesses are being created, you know, last year, this year. And it sounds like you're— you were early on that wave. A couple of quick questions. Can you use the team logos like you did there? And so you don't need a special license for that?

So that is a special license. But, but we go to the university and we basically pitch to them that we have an inclusive and holistic solution. So every sport, every athlete, softball, baseball, rowing.

Right.

Good.

They grant us the IP And then we're able to build them a whole school platform. And so yeah, we're able to do what's called co-license merchandise, which is a very specific segment of licensing. And we've got those at 15 schools.

You're like, we've sold tens of women's lacrosse sweaters.

Well, I'll be, I'll be honest. Our biggest, one of our biggest rev generators was women's softball at like Virginia Tech. The girls just crushed it and they were in like World Series and people are buying their stuff. I mean, it's not just football and basketball.

Amazing. What's, um, Learfield? Someone was saying how Learfield owns 90% of the licensing rights. And if I know nothing about it other than, uh, 3 seconds on Wikipedia, if they own it, can you also get it?

So Learfield owns collegiate licensing. We get the license from them. So they are the license clearinghouse on behalf of the university. So when we go to Duke, for instance, we talked to Duke, pitch them. They say, okay, go apply for your license. You go log on to Learfield, apply, Duke accepts it in the backend. They're just the exchange that you use.

And is it— is Learfield incentivized to let you guys grow? Like, uh, you know, at some point, do they see this as competitive to what they do?

Well, so, so there's different parts of Learfield. Learfield is a licensing arm for the university. So they're there to protect the IP of the university. But when we have something that's a really unique segment, it's hard for the university to say no. So if I just wanted to sell like just Duke merch, Duke would be like, no, we've got hundreds of other people doing it. But the fact that we're in a very niche vertical, the universities are more inclined to create the best opportunities for their athletes. It'd be silly for them to say no, because you'd be taking away opportunities for them.

By the way, we have 500 people watching live. I think your startup has 140,000 of total interest, which is pretty dope.

Uh, people in the club, I'm 30.

You, uh, you got that, uh, that young 22-year-old dog energy. There you go. There it is. I'm a dog. Thank you for proving my point. All right, does that have a hot dog on it? Dude, put those two shirts in, in a package and please send them to me. I'll Venmo you. Um, those are awesome.

He's like, dude, he's like, I have a store, just go buy it.

Why do I, why do we have to do this? Yeah, give me that coupon.

What about— and I like you're doing this franchise model, right? So you're basically going to get like kind of passionate, cheap labor on the campuses and you're going to have this set up on each campus where they do the design, the marketing.

Yeah. And we already have that. Up until NIL came about, that was our thematic approach. We teach college students design and sales. So right now we have 150 students on 40 campuses. They're really big into the Greek system. But now that we have the Greek system and sports, It makes it so much easier for our students across the country.

So, okay. So there's kind of a pivot there.

It's just, it's just, it's just opening our opportunity. Cause before you couldn't do really sports. Now it's, you can do just about everything.

When did you start this company? And like, how much money have you already raised?

Um, so I bought out a little print shop, um, right after graduating college. Uh, I had a Brian Scalabrini design go viral when I was in school. Um, and so I had enough money to buy this little print shop out. We've since scaled that. Um, and so we just got Mark's investment for $250,000. Other than that, um, everything else was bootstrapped from the ground up. So this is the first time we're actually raising capital. So we still own most of the company. Um, and we are cashflow positive. We should be profitable this year. There is like a first mover's, like, we got to land grab all these schools pretty quick.

Okay.

You got to stop. Sam's getting too excited. Uh, this is a video and a family show. We can't, uh, we can't cross the line here. So you're saying all the right words.

Yeah.

I mean, I love you.

I think I love you. I, I'm in and my wife is definitely in. No, I'm, I'm, I'm totally interested. I, I think you've got a lot of charisma. You got a lot of charm. You're, you're all those, the story about buying a small print shop and then getting Mark Cuban via cold email. I know that it looks like you have LightBank on board. They seem like sharks. I don't know much about them, but they seem like if you got them, that's Groupon. Yeah. Yeah.

That's Eric.

You, you, you have a very interesting, uh, energy about you. Uh, I'm definitely interested in learning more.

They're telling us it's time. I got one last question for you, which is, these ideas sound fun and I often run away from fun ideas because, you know, a bunch of people go try to do it. Maybe the opportunity's not that big cuz it's, it's fun and sexy. Um, the, the big like YouTuber merch backend stores like Fanjoy and some of these other ones, like they pretty much all suck, right? None of them got huge. What's the difference here?

Okay.

So that's different.

So you have to think about like why we're defensible is because we're, we're essentially enabling our athletes to do the marketing for us. Right. And so if you have 300 athletes at the University of Indiana, all pushing this store every year, the school's going to be adding more athletes. And then they're going to be pushing those into our big funnel. So like at the University of Illinois, we're sitting on 20,000 Illini emails. And now we can step up to Fanatics and start competing with them because all of our customer acquisition is rooted in the kids that are actually playing. Does that make sense?

Yes.

Okay. So what's Spring?

So Teespring is the platform. Actually, Walker is one of my good friends.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

And so like a lot of our stuff, there's a small circle of us that are raising money in the tech space and apparel. We all talk to each other. So a lot of this is calling on a lot of each other's APIs. And using a lot of the tech that's in them.

What? You print through them?

No, we could print through, like, we have our own facility, but that doesn't scale. And so our CTO actually came from a company called Printavo. Shout out Bruce Ackerman. He got acquired recently. And so we can connect to thousands of print shops across the country. And so we have the ability to connect the same way Teespring does, Custom Ink, all the bigger guys, right?

Where do you live?

Live in Chicago.

Chicago, nice, dude.

Sam's coming over. Yeah, okay.

All right, you're talking dirty to me, Midwestern guy, doing all that stuff. I'm, I'm very interested.

Yeah, thanks, Stephen.

Great job. Talk soon.

Thanks. I like him, man. That guy had some charisma. I think the business is more than mildly interesting.

These e-com plays can be freaking tough, man. Walker Williams, who—

the hard part here is upside, right? Like, is this, is this a billion-dollar company? Is this a hundred— is this a $10 billion company? There's basically no way this is a $10 billion company. Unlikely it's even a billion-dollar company. So that's the hard part. He's gonna raise on like tech valuation terms, right? Well, he's a million cap right now.

Yeah, but what is his revenue?

Uh, I don't know yet. He didn't, he didn't say. He said $7 million this year, I think he said. I mean, it's an e-com. $7 million is like not very much, right?

So, but this is none of the $4 million last year, he said. Uh, this is, it crosses the threshold. Uh, so $4 million last year, $7 million this year. It crosses the threshold of being interesting enough to not say no, at least for me.

Yeah. The one thing I would want to be figuring out here is, okay, cool. You're going to raise this money at $10. Um, are you going to raise money again? And as you're, do you look at, does he think about this mentally? Like, oh, I'm a tech founder. I'm going to raise my seed, my Series A, my Series B. My Series C? If so, I'd have to get off the train. But if he's basically like, hey, uh, I'm, I'm gonna fund this and value this based on the category that I'm in, um, which is, you know, let's say in this case e-commerce, I think, or tech-enabled e-commerce, I think that there would be a, um, a better conversation there. So that, I think that's my only concern is how big is the, is the prize. I like, I like everything he's doing, but that part's not in his control.

Yeah, well, I felt bad for being rude to him, so I'll, uh, I'll look at it.

This data is wrong every freaking time.

Have you heard of HubSpot? HubSpot is a CRM platform where everything is fully integrated.

Whoa, I can see the client's whole history—

calls, support tickets, emails—

and here's a task from 3 days ago I totally missed.

HubSpot, grow better. Um, all right, next, Terashroom. Jared from TerraShroom.

What's up guys?

How we doing?

What's up? All right, take it away.

Thank you, dude. That Tim Ferriss quote, ambitious. That's a very rich quote. Is that real? He said every single one of his billionaire friends takes mushrooms, a derivative of mushrooms, we can say, but yes. Interesting. Well, good pitch. It looks good.

So explain what it is. It's a, it's a homebrew kit for growing Shrooms?

Okay, Back to the Roots is doing $100 million in revenue? Yep.

And then there's Mudwater, there's Four Sigmatic. Basically, when you think of some companies that are in this space, they're doing nearly a quarter billion dollars from 3 companies alone. What we're doing right now is we have a Trojan horse. This is a beautiful grow chamber that gets people in the app ecosystem where we have awesome upsell opportunities into other verticals. Um, the long-term play is ultimately therapeutics. So when you think of like the, the science, the research is irrefutable, legislation's changing, it's 2022, big pharma, quite frankly, they're, they're scared. They see the science. Um, and so we just have a really, really cheap way to basically super cheap customer acquisition costs, get people in the ecosystem, then ultimately down the line, uh, we can almost go down to like telehealth and a lot of like where basically we're not selling atoms, we're ultimately selling like ones and zeros or bits and bytes.

So let me pause here. So you said Back to the Roots does $100 million and you're like, that's a comparable. But I go to Back to the Roots and it's like, you know, moms and their kids and they're growing plants at home is what it looks like. Not like, you know, uh, high achievers taking mushrooms to be happy because they—

the money didn't make it. Yeah, cool moms.

Yeah, this seems like a totally different thing.

So, so let me, uh, talk a little bit about distinct, uh, distinction. Uh, you can grow any type of mushrooms in this— gourmet, medicinal, other varieties as well. This is not limited to the type that you're thinking of, as well as you can even grow microgreens. I mean, this is ultimately a containerized grow environment that gives you full control over all environmental settings. So there's a lot that can happen in this, and that's the exciting part, is we have an IoT device that's connected in the home. You guys know what's happened with SodaStream, Traeger grills, doing hundreds of millions of dollars in revenue, exact same thing. And this is exactly where we're skating to where the puck is.

And so why do you pitch it like it's the like psychedelics thing versus, hey, we're SodaStream for growing like, you know, veggies or whatever the hell, like microgreens, whatever.

Uh, there's, there's a couple, there's a couple of people in the whole space right now, uh, when it comes to, uh, you know, like hydroponic grow solutions for like lettuce. And I think the truth is, is like what we're just seeing is the green rush happened a couple of years ago, about a decade ago in California. We're seeing the exact same thing happen in this mushroom space. And that is where there's going to be billions and billions of dollars to be made.

So you can sell— I know nothing about mushrooms. You can sell that stuff?

So here's the thing. What we are selling, just to be clear, what we are selling is just the grow chamber. We're just selling hardware and we'll say basically sell some raw ingredients you can buy from the store or what have you. And then we will also sell basically the grow supplies if you want to do gourmet varieties. Fun fact, it's not something that most people don't know. You can grow, you can order any type of mushroom spore varieties if you catch my drift, because they do not contain the psychoactive ingredient in 47 of the 50 US states. This is a legal loophole. I've been growing them for about 6 years, all different types. So it's something that not many people know, but it's becoming very well established. Are you on Shrooms right now?

Uh, okay, this is—

okay, he didn't answer.

No, he's got his wits about him. All right, uh, okay, so you're— so you're doing this, and you think that also, like, you're growing through paid ads, and through paid ads you're like, okay, we're not gonna get, um, you know, blocked by Facebook for basically saying, you know, grow your own weed at home. Like, you know, that's what they wouldn't allow that, but you're gonna basically be able to show this terrarium, you know, this home, you know, a little tray that you're gonna be able to buy.

Yeah, yeah. So actually, you know, it's funny, uh, talking to Justin, we're doing a huge pivot away from actually the whole, like, anything psychedelic. So it's actually just very much like generic. So, uh, taking it very much more down a PC route to basically just grab a much wider audience.

Wow. Um, oh, okay. So, so you have some interest here. You have $40K of interest, but you've— you're raising $605,000, is that right? Uh, no, sorry, am I reading this wrong?

He's raising $250K.

$250K at a $3.3 million cap. $605 is like in this whole session, how many people have been interested in funding things. He's got—

and how is this business and what's going to happen? Like, where, what do you think the exit is?

Yeah, great question. Um, so honestly, I've just been working on this, uh, for the past few months. Uh, everything from the CAD modeling design, you know, literally everything you've seen, uh, done myself. So basically we're getting ready for, uh, getting some engineering validation testing.. And then ultimately exit strategy is, I mean, extremely profitable, um, you know, acquisitions. I mean, it's just like, the truth is, is like, we like to make money. That's why, you know, we're on this podcast, right? But, um, there's a lot of different ways.

Give us the unit economics real quick. You can make them, you can make the device for what? And ship, like, basically the COGS plus the shipping is what? And what do you sell it for?

Yeah, perfect. So, uh, what we're looking at right now is $49 and some change for, uh, manufacturing when you factor CAC when you factor in 3PL, basically landed cost, you're looking at about $128. MSRP is $399, and then we have a $29 a month subscription. So basically you're looking at total about $700 for the customer LTV based off of like about a $30-some CAC.

All right, that's time.

Thank you, dude. Thanks, Jared.

Dude, it's crazy, man. Valuations have changed. He's raising a $3.3 million cap. I was thinking about like the upside here, um, it got— Angel Investing got far more attractive in the last 3 months.

Yeah, these valuations were all extremely reasonable. Uh, and I think they were all also very early stage. So these are like pre-seed type of investments, which is great because, you know, that's where a lot of money can be made. Um, yeah, my wife's definitely out on this one. My wife who has never said a curse word, never drank a drop of alcohol. I don't think she's a— I don't think she's a believer that, uh, would you ever do shrooms? Um, I don't know, probably not. I don't, I don't know, dude.

I've been trying to tell my wife to do it this year. I'm like, hey, before we have kids, you should try LSD or mushrooms or something. That'd be awesome.

I'm not gonna do it. Yeah, you're like, you should do it.

I'm not gonna do it. Like, like the other day we were talking about this relationship book, uh, like, like to make our relationship better. I'm like, hey, can you read this for us?

I think you just identified the problem.

Yeah, that's how I feel about mushrooms. Like, hey, can you do this for It's supposed to change people's lives and make them feel better and happier. Can you do it for both of us? Yeah, this is— I would say I'm mildly interested in this as well. I need to learn more. I don't know. His answer of, is this illegal to sell, is still a little—

No, he's saying it's legal. He's basically saying all we sell is hardware and then we sell raw ingredients. And in 49 of the 50 whatever states, yeah, but he used the phrase legal loophole.

If you catch my drift.

Yeah, if you catch my drift. Yeah, that's like, that, that's, that, that's real interesting to me.

More than two winks in your pitch, I'm out. Like, you don't want to be like, yeah, you know what I mean?

Yeah, yeah. So I, I, I did do a I need to feel, um, I need to learn a little bit more.

I don't know how big.

No way. I, I think it's bigger than— I think it's I, I read a couple books about it enough.

Like, people that are gonna buy a $400, uh, like, you know, Nest-looking, you know, clean device versus just like, you know, pay Diego across the street for like, you know, $20 for some shrooms. Like, I, I, of course more people take shrooms, but how many people are going to do this?

Like, yeah, that's a good—

I was like, sexy homebrew situation.

You ever grew— dude, I grew weed in high school in a closet. Did you ever do that?

I can't say I did.

Well, we used to like go to Home Depot and have to like buy the bulbs and stuff and like put a lock in the closet so your mom doesn't come into it. These things, like this plus Amazon, it's like the, it's like the easiest thing ever, like to grow drugs. I love it.

All right, we'll go to the next pitch. Uh, so I think in that case I was out, you were a maybe, is that right?

I'm a maybe.

Okay, cool. Let's do the next one. Morgan from Deal Builder.

What's the conversion of $450,000 Canadian dollars to real money?

Oh, it's like you guys are paying like $20, $20 or $30, I think.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

I was just, I couldn't figure it out. Like what Monopoly money to USD is.

Yeah, no, I think that in actuality, I think that's probably like $150, I think, or maybe a little bit more, uh, US, something like that.

Really? Okay, dude, this is awesome. Your site is great. I think your branding is really, is really slick and cool. It's not, you know, MicroAcquire, I think maybe it's because Andrew is just being controversial on Twitter. I don't think that he's, uh, appealing to maybe all the right people. I think that what you're doing is incredibly intriguing.

It's—

this is very interesting. Why haven't you raised from more people? This seems like a pretty big opportunity and you only listed Andrew. He's great, but that's just one person.

Yeah. So we started out bootstrapped, like we actually just built this for ourselves for the first little while. And then we kind of just saw— we pivoted the business model. At first it was just like, all right, small businesses that weren't a good fit for our brokerage. You go and use this and pay like a nominal fee. And then we're like, wait, this works with bigger deals, and why not just expand this? And that's when we decided to raise. Uh, so that's— we're kind of seeing that blue ocean right now and kind of going after it.

Have you talked to all of our nerdy friends? Like, well, you're talking to me and Sean. Have you talked to Cody? Have you talked to Nick Huber? Have you talked to all of our buddies who are all like these influencers around this stuff?

Not Nick Huber. I've exchanged DMs with Cody but haven't finalized something.

But I also talked to Xavier, uh, recently as well, who's really in the space and everybody's like, yeah, this is absolutely needed because, well, like amongst our little like circle jerk group of friends who talk about buying boring businesses, I think you have, you'd have a nice little influencer, uh, at least not like, not a game changing, but maybe a little game changing. But anyway, uh, I would probably invest a little bit. I would like to learn more and do some due diligence, but this is really, really cool.

Yeah.

When, um, uh, how much, how big is BuyBizSell?

Yeah. So, uh, BizBuySell, whatever way you want to do it, is— so it's owned by CoStar, and CoStar owns LoopNet, and they're a public company. I think they did $2.1 billion of revenue, but they're just listing. They don't take any transactional fees. So our difference with BizBuySell is that they— I think Businesses for Sale is another competitor. They do 100— and they had 160,000 listings in 2019, but they don't They probably do, you know, $5 million revenue because they don't take any piece of the transaction. So the, the, their value capture is so low to what they actually could be delivering on, but they're just a listing site. So they only just send buyer leads. They don't actually help guide through the acquisition.

Sean, why'd you ask about that versus, um, like FE International?

Because, uh, it seems like that's the closest comp, right? BizBuySell for the types of businesses you're selling. Like, when I go to your site, I see like Chocolate shop, IT services company. So like Microacquire is trying to do SaaS. Yeah, we don't touch it specifically. And, um, FE International is doing, you know, larger deals that are using basically like a kind of like a private banker. Um, whereas it looks like this is kind of like how the SMBs are going to trade hands is what you're trying to do. Is that, is that accurate?

Yeah, and FE International could be a client of ours. So we have a brokerage, like a white label side. So our brokerage now runs all of our deals through Deal Builder and pays a small percentage of every completed deal, and we do their whole back office this for them. So they don't have— so with brokers, your cash flow is like this because it's in between each commission. So now they're only paying when deals actually come through. So brokers have just kind of like flooded to it and asked to be on the platform, which is really cool.

I think more than anything, I'm invest— I'm, I'm interested in them. I mean, I think your brand is cool. You seem nice and great and competent. I think that I'm interested in the macro trend. Yeah, you're handsome, like a baby Dolph Lundgren. Yeah, like a little Ivan Drago. I think that, um, I think that, uh, this macro trend is really cool, and I would like to take a part of that.

So how do you get the crank going? So how are you going to get a bunch of buyers and sellers onto this platform? Like, what do you— what does that take? Uh, I'm sure it's a bunch of brute force at the beginning, but tell me what you're doing to make that happen.

Yeah, so, uh, the sell side's harder than the buy side. Buyers are everywhere. Like, everyone thinks buyers are the problem, but it's super easy to find them, and it's free to sign up, so really low friction. Um, feel free to sign up, watchers. Uh, and so on the seller side, we've really grown by referrals. So accountants, other brokers— so brokers refer deals to the platform as well. Uh, and then just awareness, like people don't know that these solutions exist. So it's actually really nice from a marketing perspective. You just say, hey, you can sell your business on our platform. They're like, great, I had no idea, I thought my business wasn't worth anything. So it's really just getting awareness and getting into the right centers of influence. And I think like you're talking about with some of those influencers, I think could make a really big difference.

And your revenue this year is going to be a couple hundred thousand, is that right?

Yeah, likely. It's a little bit hard to predict when the timing of deals will close, but in our pipeline of $600,000 right now, I know a couple hundred thousand of that will close for sure, and just in the quality of the businesses. And we've already done $80,000 this year already.

Have you paid the bills on your team? It looks on your website, it looks like you got a bunch of people listed.

Uh, yeah, well, there's the 3 co-founders. I'm the active operating co-founder. The other 2 co-founders, uh, are really kind of advisor and investor roles. So they were— and help out with some of the— with the actual, um, kind of like breaking down the brokerage process. And then so there's 2 developers, myself, and a marketing person. One of them is on, um, mat leave right now. But, uh, yeah, Yeah. So it's like, is there just like 4 of us right now that are on payroll?

Sick. Well, thank you. This is awesome. I'm, uh, I'd like to learn more.

Yeah, same.

All right.

Thanks, Morgan.

Good job. Um, Sean, the thing he said at the end, little, little funky, little funky.

About what? The team not being the team?

Yeah. The team not being the team. That's it. That, that freaks me out a little bit because in a couple of years when things start working out well, if I'm that kid, I'm going to say, well, what the hell, man? You're not even working here. Why do you deserve this equity? And, uh, you know, like there's gonna be some anger and we don't know that they have equity.

Uh, we don't know how much.

They're listed as a co-founder.

Yeah, but that might just be like, it seems like, so if you go to their website, there's this like stock photos of like, you know, happy people holding, you know, coffees and like clipboards and like, um, you know, it seems like maybe he just buffed up the team to be like, look, our team has tons of experience. Uh, you know, so if it's a website marketing thing, okay, that's fine. Uh, but if it's actually on the cap table or it's in the deck and then you're in the deck as a, here's our awesome team with tons of experience. Oh, I'm the only one who actively works on this. That's when I'm like, okay, hold on. How many other things in this deck do I need to question?

So I think that's a little bit of a, uh, you know, yeah, that's all I'm saying. I don't think it's a red flag. I'm just saying I would wanna dig in just a little bit more on that.

Right.

But that guy just raised $250,000. It said, it said he was raising $250K and he got $250K of interest. So good for him.

I'm, and I, I wanna $1 million of total interest for this session. So, um, when you talk about moving, moving weight, when you talk about bringing size, when you talk about really hitting the hammer—

about that, hitting—

when you talk about those things, you're talking about us. All right, let's go to the last pitch. It is Tim from Field Complete. All right, Tim.

Hey guys. Feel Complete is a free app for your local plumber or electrician to run their business. They live in our app and we become their bank over time. We found a very unique wedge into this market. As you know, rentership in the US is on the rise. Over 35% of all homes are rented and it's growing. It all started back in '08 when all the foreclosed homes, or most of them, were bought out by Wall Street and rented. Paired that with like the short-term rental Airbnb craze and millennials not being able to or wanting to own. Heck, now even like VCs are buying real estate portfolios, right, through Adam Neumann. Uh, so all these homes need to be professionally maintained by property managers, and property managers use contractors and subcontractors, uh, to maintain them. And so the problem is that traditionally contractors would either focus on the residential sector with homeowners or the commercial jobs. And with property managers entering the single-family rental scene, as a contractor, you're basically either forced to bootstrap your operation on 7 different apps to run your business, or you resort to pen and paper, which is basically 80% of contractors today. And actually, my co-founder experienced this problem firsthand when he transitioned his construction company. He tried the 7, 7 different app route, ended up building his own, and only after the subs and the property managers started asking, like, hey, what software are you using, we realized how huge this problem is. So in a nutshell, FieldComplete is a free software for your local home service contractor to run their business. And over time, we essentially become their point of sale, their bank, their credit card. Think of it like a Shopify for the home service contractor. Um, as far as traction goes, we raised a small pre-seed to rebuild the app. Uh, we launched at the beginning of this year, have over 200 contractors on the platform, serviced over 19,000 homes, over $5 million in GMV this year, on track to do $10 million. We're only currently monetizing the actual revenue on the merchant services. So anytime a credit card is swiped on there, we're on track to do a little over $100K this year. We're raising a $2.5 million seed to integrate banking into the solution, add job sharing, which basically gives us more users, pilot with a property manager integration, and hire some support reps. And this note, we know this model works well because ever since we've removed the SaaS fees, we've been getting about 3 to 4 companies signing up organically every day. So I'll open it up for questions.

Tim, you and I have interacted a bunch online, haven't we?

Yes, we did.

I know you're, uh, I know your face, um, but we've never hung out, have we?

Not yet.

What's good? What's going on? Nice to meet you. This is, uh, cool. Congratulations. When was the first raise that you did?

Yeah, so the first raise, uh, was, um, a year and a half ago, about almost 2 Why no deck? Um, we went with the no deck. The deck's attached to the, the thing, distraction.

Okay. Uh, all right, sounds good.

Are you running out of money now?

Uh, no, we, we have enough. We have more than like 7 months of runway, and this round is coming together. So we have a lead for this round. Uh, it's— we're basically most likely going to close it in the next month or two here.. So we have a lead. All the investors from pre-seed basically exercise their parata into the round. And we have some new investors coming in.

And how much is, how many people will work there and what's your spend each month roughly?

Yeah.

So total team size is 18 right now. We burn about $60K to $70K a month today.

In net burn? Yeah. And you're raising how much?

We're doing— we're raising $2.5 million. We can potentially oversubscribe it, but we think that's enough money for us to get to the next stage.

And last question on that, what's the next stage?

Yeah, so next stage is basically this money will get us to either default alive or raise a bigger growth round. We're on track, so right now, The companies are signing up organically through subcontracting, and so the user base is growing on its own. We literally only have 2 support reps on the team right now, uh, and that's like— customer acquisition in this space is tough because it's SMB and it's fragmented, right? Um, and so we found this wedge where through property managers, they, they work with multi-trade contractors and they sub jobs to each other on our platform, and that— and we get more and more users this way signing up, um, on their own. And so therefore our CAC is not as high. Like, we don't spend money on CAC. Basically all the users that we currently have on the platform were organic.

Uh, so say that again. So how many users do you currently have on the platform, and, uh, over what period of time were they acquired?

Yeah, so for this year we've had about 500 contractors sign up. Um, of those, um, basically 200 are active. Um, and then this, like, some contractors are daily active, weekly active, monthly. We're tracking all of that. Uh, the daily active are the ones that live inside our software. Uh, the weekly and monthly are the ones that would basically use the app, um, like to receive work and perform work from the contractor. So they're just using it to basically receive a job and do it. Uh, with the new feature that I was talking about, the job sharing that we're going to release, they're going to get a full field complete account as well, and they'll be able to use it for all the third-party work.

And right now you're keeping 1% of the money that goes through you guys? Yeah.

So merchant services, we're out— like when we were raising our pre-seed, we were thinking it's going to be up to 1%. We're doing like— and the deck says 1.07%, the actual is 1.26% right now.

But with a goal of 10%?

Yeah.

So yes, the answer is yes. And the way we get there is we're going to release the— in like Q1, the banking solution that's going to average out to about 2%. There's other fintech offerings we can layer on top, basically like settling invoices earlier, kind of the way Deal does it, and other fintech offerings there. And then from there, we want to pilot with a property manager, integrate with them, and give them our book of contractors to dispatch work to, and they will give their book of contractors back to us, right?

Uh, and so let me ask you a question. Uh, when you internally— forget about the pitch— when you look at the health of your business, What is the number one KPI? So what is the main KPI for you?

Yeah. So we're measuring GMV across the board because that's what we can monetize. We can add layers of monetization in terms of like marketplace fees.

So the GMV is your number one metric and GMV matters because that's what flows through your app directly. Yes. So, so you're saying GMV matters because I take 1% of GMV.

Yes, today, yes, 1.26%. Then, and we, without increasing the user base, we can layer more offerings on top of that and increase the revenue as it scales.

What is the math about this? So you've basically, the last year you've done like $70K of revenue, something like that, $5.7 million of GMV, and then you multiply that by 1.26. Is that right?

Yeah. So for this year, right, this past year we did, we had about $5.7 GMV to date. Um, we're at about $42,000 in revenue already. Uh, we will be at the end of the year basically, uh, at $100K, over $100K.

So I personally, I like the concept of what you're doing, which is basically the, you know, the sort of workflow slash, um, you know, how to run your business if you're a blue-collar contractor here. Um, I really like that concept. Uh, but what I don't like about this pitch is I'm just confused as to like how big your business is. I feel like you threw a bunch of numbers. You're like, oh, we service 19,000 5.7 million in GMV. These sound really big, but what's the reality? The reality is you have 200 active users and you made $40,000 in revenue this year, right? That's the reality of the situation. And I feel like that was so buried in this that I'm like, for me personally, that's too much work to get to an understanding of your business, which tells me that the, that the business, if the business itself was super compelling, you would have just led with the more clear, easy to understand metrics that are like, Like, not like we serve 19,000 homes, which is a total of 43,000 people because 4 people live in the home. It's like, oh dude, like, I don't know. Well, I don't know what these numbers are, but they're irrelevant to what your actual business is.

Is your growth keeping you up at night right now? What's keeping you up at night where you think like, fuck, things aren't going well, which everyone at all stages of business— so I'm not saying it for you, but just like you're— I'm not saying you have this only. Everyone has this. So what are you saying that about?

Yeah, so growth has actually been very good because we're getting organic users. We're not paying anything for these users. The pie is growing on its own.

How can you say that? You have 200 active users. How could you say growth is very good? Like, I don't—

yeah, so the reason why it's good is because we spend basically no money acquiring them, right? So we're getting through the whole thing.

That's just saying I have, you know, I have, I have so many friends. I have 3 friends, but I don't go out, so it's no problem, you know?

It's like, well, my muscles are really good for not working out.

Yeah.

So where we're at now is like we're onboarding customers, like I said, that are coming in. And then as far as in terms of revenue, it trickles in a bit later when it's a fintech solution, right? So that, that's, that might be a concern for an investor, but our investors are aligned with us. Us, like if we were to turn on SaaS fees today, right, we'd make like around $400,000 to $500,000 in ARR, but we're purposefully keeping them low. So when they subcontract, there's no barrier to entry and then we monetize the financial layer. And so because of that, it's basically we're prioritizing growth over immediate revenue right at this moment. And so that's our strategy. Again, And our investors are aligned with it.

I would argue— so you're basically saying we're not charging because we don't have a barrier to entry. Any business that doesn't charge is going to get that benefit, but then you should see awesome growth, right? Uh, and so that's, that's, that would be the counter argument. The counter argument would be, okay, you've, you've sacrificed $400,000 or $500,000 in revenue, you're like, you're saying, and what have you gotten in return is some, you know, 200 active, 500 total registered users. If you had just, just charged and actually had $400,000 in revenue, you could go— if you spent that money on advertising, you could probably have, you know, 10 times more users. So, uh, I don't know, I guess for me, uh, those parts don't add up personally because I, um, and I'm, I'm saying this too just because, you know, on the show there's a lot of people listening and so they want to hear the full thought process, which is, um, I think in general you want to have a capital efficient business. It seems like you might have spent, uh, you've raised $1.6 million to date. Is that correct?

Yeah. So in this round already, uh, yeah.

Or like, uh, okay. In the life of the company, how much money has been like burned total?

Yeah. Total burn is, uh, like we've burned about $1.8 million to date.

The Stonks guys are saying we gotta end this, this particular presentation. Tim, we appreciate you a lot. Um, coming on, this is awesome.

Thank you.

Yeah, Sam, Sean, thanks.

Thanks.

Thanks.

Sorry if I was too harsh, buddy.

Dude. Um, I hate doing this because I agree with everything you say. I hate— I don't want to rip on someone, but here's the, here's the thing. I think the business could be great. I think maybe there's a chance that he just kind of missed the pitch a little bit.

But yeah, that could totally be the case. And or we misunderstood, right? Because without a deck, you're trying to follow it while you're trying to read the chat while you're trying to look for the company's metrics and you go to their website. So it's very easy to miss things during that process. So that might be on us. And the other part of it is some information, the lead was buried.

When the lead is buried, I get, I get a Spidey thing goes off where I'm like, I'm nervous. What am I nervous about here? Now, that doesn't mean that it's always the case or that he meant to do that, but he could have just been nervous or something because there are a lot of people watching. But there's something— the pitch, the pitch was missed.

And I feel like, you know, on one hand, I'm like you, what you said, which is like, dude, I hate kind of saying, you know, something not positive to an entrepreneur because I know how hard it is to be an entrepreneur and be a founder.

I don't mind doing it when it's just me and them.

Them. Yeah, especially in this, this format. Uh, but you know, if you sign up to do this, if we, us signing up to do this publicly and a founder signing up to do this publicly, that's the point, right? The point of this is it's, you're putting yourself out there. There's a risk and reward with that. Um, I think you have to know that going in, but, but I think the, you know, the best thing that can happen is if you, um, I don't know if I'm right, but if I was, it would be short. It would be a little pain today for a lot more benefit down the road, right? Hard today, easy later. If we just keep it easy now and say, oh, this looks really interesting, we'd love to chat more and just bounce it. I mean, you never know what, what, why we might not want it.

You, you, you nailed it, which was answer the question why it's, it was $1.5 million or $1.8 million for 200 customers and $80,000 or $160,000, whatever it was in revenue. Um, there is a good answer or there could be a good answer to that. That, which is like, dude, we're building software, just, it takes forever. But once these guys get on us, they like are hooked forever and they tell their friends and like, here's what, here's how we grow, uh, and here's how the math looks like. I just think that he kind of didn't present that wonderfully, even if the truth is good.

Right, right, right. Um, okay, so I don't know, are we doing anything else here?

No, that's it.

Last pitch. Uh, thank you to everybody who showed up. That was, that was great. I think there was at least 2 companies in there that I know I would, I'm gonna follow up with to try to get. Which ones? Um, Campus Inc. I thought was really interesting, and the PillPack one, uh, was really good too. I think those are my, my top 2. What about for you?

I think I like Campus Inc. and I like the business—

what was the, uh— oh, Deal Builder. Deal Builder also is a good one, and all of the valuations are fantastic. Deal Builder's at $4 million.

Uh, Deal Builder's interesting. Well, this last one was at $21 million. That's why I asked somebody last raise was— he raised 18 or 24 months ago when, uh when things were hot and, uh, yeah.

And if your valuation is $21 million, the bar is higher on what you need to deliver, right? The PillPack guy's like, ah, we got $2,000, you know, he said like we've made $1,500 in revenue or something like that, but he launched 2 months ago and, um, he's raising at like a $3 or $4 million cap. Right.

So yeah, like the, the, the push is hard on that. Like when I think about what I'm doing with my personal money right now, I'm like, man, like I think some of these tech stocks like are just of just the total index is just a little like underpriced at the moment. And I think like there's going to be some upside. And then I look at like a $20 million company and I'm like, okay, this is still super high risky and it needs to have a fairly good outcome to make the risk worth it for me. Whereas a $4 million deal with just one guy working on it, you know, it's like, you know, that could actually survive a little bit, maybe higher likelihood it could survive in it. It, the return could be great. So anyway, that's where I am. This is, uh, I love that the chat here, these people are such, like, there's so many funny people and like interesting smart people.

Yeah, the chat makes it a lot of fun. Uh, like Henry just now just goes, he's like, this, uh, this, this, uh, this pitch was WLD, whole lot of dogs.

Dude, I love this, man. These guys are great. Great. So I, uh, I almost kind of want to have like a— do a pod every once in a while where we have a live chat. This is actually quite good.

Yeah, maybe we should. Uh, and thanks for coming out. If people like this Stonks thing, this is the second time we've done this live pitch. If it's cool, we'll do it again.

Dude, these guys, Stonks— like, I'm biased here, but I'm impressed every time I go on their platform. It is cool, isn't it?

Yeah, it's pretty sweet.

So that's not like such a pitch, sorry, but it's really cool.

We're at 1.3 million of total interest was expressed. So they really did help these companies raise money. Um, pretty dope. 500 people were here kind of hanging out. And, uh, all right, that's it. We're out of here.